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Old 11-07-2005, 04:14 PM
baudinm baudinm is offline
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Default No tripod shots in Paris ?

Hi all,
Yesterday I wanted to take some pictures of the Lariboisičre's hospital in Paris. I was in the hospital, since one person of my family was there (a birth) and I wanted to get a "souvenir".

The light was falling (19 PM) so I used a tripod. But one person of the hospital told me that no shot could be done without an authorisation of the hospital's director. So, for the first time in my life, I didn't take any picture because "it is forbidden".

I read that no tripod shot could be taken in Paris without an authorisation. I wanted to know whether other photographers had the same experience in Paris or in another city and how did they manage to get their tripod shots. Should Adam remove the Paris pictures which have been taken without any authorisation ?
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Old 11-07-2005, 07:03 PM
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Default Re: No tripod shots in Paris ?

LOL, i don't really know, but the fact of beeing forbidden to take photos with tripod seems quite stupid to me. I didn't took any photo with tripod because simply i didn't carried with me (too heavy), but i think there are tons of photos taken with tripods, i saw plenty of people with tripods all over the place.

Maybe inside some building is forbiden... simply because it implies that you will spend many time in front of some artpiece or anyother object...

... But on the street don't make any sense.

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Old 11-07-2005, 08:49 PM
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Default Re: No tripod shots in Paris ?

Tripods are forbidden in the City of London (That is, that part of London known as 'the City' - the financial district) because they cause an obstruction.
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Old 11-07-2005, 09:21 PM
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Default Re: No tripod shots in Paris ?

Being inside a private building I can understand it, but if on public space somebody would bother me with this he would enrich his vocabulary with some words in true Gaulois spirit...
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Old 11-08-2005, 12:26 AM
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Default Re: No tripod shots in Paris ?

you cannot except if you have an autorisation of french monument, and the same for eiffel tower when the lights are aglow, but for eiffel tower you must pay, because it's private company !!
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Old 11-08-2005, 12:29 AM
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Default Re: No tripod shots in Paris ?

it's not a matter of in the streets, it's because they want to control the image of the french monument, regarding some plubishers who don't pay the right of image for publishing!!!!
it's happened to me in a public garden, 'cause of a fontain who was classified historical monument!
it's the same thing in many countries regarding monuments!!
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Old 11-08-2005, 12:56 AM
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Default Re: No tripod shots in Paris ?

Couple of things as far as I understand them to be correct:

1/ In the hospital you are on private property and, as a general rule, you need to abide by the rules of the property owner with respect to use of a tripod (or even the ability to take pictures). This is not just particular to France or the hospital, but is typical of any country where you are on private property.

2/ Taking the UK as an example. A property owner who allows public access to their property automatically becomes liable for any accidents, injuries or deaths which may occur on their property as a result of negligent action. An example of negligent action would be failing to maintain emergency access/exits clear of obstructions at all times. It is usually under the latter that tripods are forbidden on private property. If the property owner provides a permit or license for you to use a tripod then there are usually a list of rules which need to be complied with to ensure that health and safety standards are maintained at all times. NB In the UK we have probably the strongest health and safety regulations in the world.

3/ On public streets a similar principle applies in that the local authority may become liable if you cause an accident by virtue of using a tripod. To this extent most urban local authorities forbid the use of tripods on the public streets or require a permit/license to be obtained. Under such conditions the local authority can discharge any liability under the legal system (i.e. if you cause an accident, then the local authority can defend themselves against being sued for not ensuring the streets are safe).

4/ Notwithstanding the above, there are hundreds of people a year who use tripods on the streets of Paris. Provided you do not cause an obstruction, accident or injury to anyone then you are unlikely to be bothered. If you are likely to be an obstruction (i.e. doing a commercial photoshoot) then you will need a permit so that you do not get moved on by the police.

5/ The Eiffel Tower itself is not copyrighted, however, the sparkling lights (which are classified as an art installation) are copyrighted. Therefore, provided you are taking a picture of the Eiffel Tower from public property then there are no restriction on photo usage. However, if you are taking pictures from the land under the Eiffel Tower (private property) or of the sparkling lights (not the general lighting) then you will need a property release form to use the images commercially. If you are using the pictures for personal use then no-one is going to bother too much.
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Old 11-08-2005, 12:58 AM
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Default IMAGE, PROPERTY, RIGHTS... IN FRANCE

I just made a posting on this (IN FRENCH). This is what I understand from picture publication in France.

I believe that it's a far different matter if your photography is for a private/cultural use. I read many Justice decisions stating that the owner of a building could not forbid a non-commercial use of a photography - even if the authorization was not formally requested - provided that the picture does not spoil his business rights on his property.

If I understood the texts correctly, the owner of can prevent the use of the image of his property if the two following conditions are
1/ there is an effective commercial use of the picture,
2/ that commercial use does limit the ability of the owner of the building to enjoy/benefit from a commercial use.

Provided the picture is used to inform or display a cultural good normally accessible to anyone (no intrusion), there is no reason to forbid a non-commercial publication.

I'm not a LEGAL specialist so this interpretation need confirmation ;) As far as the tripod is concerned, I would say it makes sense to not obstruct circulation in such a place in case of an urgency...

Cheers,

Steven
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Old 11-08-2005, 11:04 AM
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Default Re: No tripod shots in Paris ?

I would like to add a couple of details about this subject.

First, in France, the hospital are public places.
Second, I was not on the way which was used by emergency vehicles (I am not crazy.). The emergency way was another entry of the hospital. I was on the pedestrian way, which had a width of at least 4 meters, so that no pedestrian could say that I was on his way (and nobody did).
Third, no one can say that a flash can alter a building (although it may be the case for a painting).
Finally, I strongly suspect that the city want to get money from the pictures.
No, there is no doubt. I am sure !

By the way, I would like to mention this link (written in French) :
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Traroth/Photographier_librement_au_Mus%C3%A9e_du_Louvre
One person, who is wanting to take picture outside and inside the Louvres to fill the wikipedia database, was asked not to take pictures inside the museum AND to remove the picture of the Louvres pyramid out of the Wikipedia website, because the pyramid is copyrighted. If not, wikipedia will have to pay 304.90 € / shot the first year.
Personnaly, I think that all of us should think about it seriously because there soon will no public place that will be allowed to be photographed, because the society is extremely wanting to get money fastly, easily and in great amounts.
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Old 11-08-2005, 03:49 PM
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Default Re: No tripod shots in Paris ?

First, in France, the hospital are public places

Not exactly, hospital in France are private places (own by the "assistance public" I think) open to public.
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