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Great pasternak 2008-03-28 8:08

Hi Kristaps, a clear shot with excellent light and great shooting angle, very fitting for this kind of architecture, being too "classic" for a straight pov.

About your note: I must disagree that the contemporary atheism of the "masses" (to use an old Soviet term;)) in the former Soviet Republics such as Latvia is directly caused by the Soviet-era legacy with churches being converted into storages etc. I know all this happened (in Russia as well) and I also think it was quite a silly thing to do, to say the least; but the truth is that in large parts of Western Europe, for example in the Netherlands, despite the fact that no churches have been demolished, people are nowadays even more atheistic than in the countries that have "suffered" the communist rule... Here, churches are also being closed and converted into museums or even shops, of course not by government offers, but just because nobody goes to the church anymore. So everything is not so simple, including processes in the society, and I really wouldn't solely blame communism (or "russification" as you put it) for everything that happens now in any part of the world...


Old 03-28-2008, 03:27 PM
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thanks for the kind words on the photo. much appreciated, friend.

as to contemporary atheism: i agree, much of western europe is de-facto atheist as well. however, i feel reasons for atheisms of "masses" in western and central/easter europe are different. in the former soviet union, for example, atheism was taught to the "masses" at schools from very early age for generations. and, at least in my very personal example, the scientific reasoning stuck :) i am not sure, similar "cultivation" is systematically carried out in western europe. definitely not in the US (some states still prohibit teachings of Darvin, considering it heresy...)

as to my statement: it was not meant to be an opinion, rather - just an observation.

as to russification: i did not try to imply any connection between contemporary atheism and russification carried out in the 'provinces' by the end of the XIX century. the latter was a process managed by Tsar's government designed to bring ethnic provinces into the mold of the empire and lessen political risks to the country's integrity brought about by explosion of nationalistic cultural movements that took place in Russian empire in the second part of the XIX century.

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Old 03-28-2008, 05:27 PM
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Yes, I know atheism has been taught at schools in Soviet Union... I grew up there so I know...:) And yes, atheism as such isn't taught at schools here in Holland, on the contrary, most "basic" schools here (for children of 4-12 years of age) are mostly either Catholic or some kind of Protestant. Despite that, most of the population is atheist. So what I'm trying to say is that of course, school education and ideology in general has influence but it by far isn't the only factor... there are lots of other social and scientific factors which may not depend on a particular ideology...
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Old 03-28-2008, 06:15 PM
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well, wasn't holland a haven for religious reformers of all denominations in the XVI century? that's before the inquisition descended upon them, of course :) i guess, nowadays the dutch lead europe's quest towards general atheism :)) well, swedes are no different: that much i know from my own experience there.

as to former socialist countries: i still have a feeling that decades (in the case of Russia: more than 70-years...) of scientific atheism education have played a major role on population's religious orientation. after all, it is like methodologically teaching a whole new religion to the "masses". my roman history is a bit rusty, but i believe, it took less than 70 years of state orchestrated conversion to bring majority of roman empire's population into embrace of the christian church ;)
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