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Old 04-13-2006, 04:15 AM
saharafree saharafree is offline
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First of all Sebastien the pic is trés magnifique . I know the sort of rejection communist policy provokes in many people and mostly it is caused by a great misunderstanding about the right theoric principles that rule and hold the same doctrina . I'm so aware that Ceaucescu, Stalin and many others were not communist , just read the communist manifiesto by Karl Marx and easily realise about this . Fidel Castro struggled to defeat a dictator , and once he got the power was well-seen and accepted in USA , but in a moment later there were a kind of ideological divorce between CIA interest and what Castro was proposing for Cuba and he decided to look for backing and support on the other door, calling to USSR which help Cuba not to feel a cut off , isolated country and suffer the harsh embargo . USA , the democracy paradigma continued invading all sorts of territories , condemning them to margination , explotation , poverty , turned Latin America into a mined camp , a place where to stack up amounts of rubbish , get the air rotten and put forward presidents that were suitable to its interests , murder Allende and many other erected by people decision in free elections , invaded uncountable territories , feed a permanent evil dictatorship and anihilated people with the most devastating way of killing by depriving them even to breath , eat , leave them to starve ...and they are a democracy ...as mexico is a democracy , or El salvador , the paroxism of high hipocresy ...I don't think in ideologies because history show us that none of them , expect capitalism in its brutal face (the dictatorship from FMI , world bank,... that creates a constant in this world , people deprived of being fed , food , rotten environment and wealth concentration in little hands), has been put in practise . Comparing Fidel with whoever in the East Europe is a silly thought because Cuba is not Slovakia . The debate is complicated . Who is ruling Saudi Arabia , El Salvador , USA , Mexico, Colombia ,Bahrein , who's ruling Algeria and who was ruling and has been ruling the fate of millions of italians ? ...It is the same what Fidel displays as Ceaucescu did ? ...Fidel and Cuba are suffering a continuous aggression campaign receiving bullets from everywhere , damning him and his policy . Just look at Haití , look at other places . Cuba has its contradictions , socialist daughters offering her bodies for a "fula" , restrictions to certain freedoms , but all revolution supposes a change against the previous state , what Cuba was with Batista or could be with a "US friend" president(a brothel)...or What Venezuela was before Chávez . Fidel put children behind a blackboard , put in practise a health system for everyone . Che Guevara was conscious about the extreme poverty , impoverish but rich countries of America Latina are suffering since Europe invaded them centuries ago. His aim was to erradicate this not to be a Stalin or Ceaucescu friend . He thought there were measures and ways to fight the imperialism US is provoking and applying in this world (US is not a model for anything ) and he died , just this, killed and fighting not to concentrate money but avoid people in America suffer from explotation .But the uthopia of asking for the impossible goes on in little and regional reivindications , Chiapas , Sahara Occidental, while US extermines the part of the world that annoys its policies , blasting bones of "evil" children and showing its connivence to other terrorist country as Israel is (if US tries to look for mass destruction weapons there , they won't miss , but they are friends ) ...So take sure when Fidel dies CIA will implement a mass invasion and the anti Castro resort in Miami lead by a fascism aura featured among others in Gloria Stefan , Andy Garcia , will invade the island , divest people from what is theirs (dignity) and Cuba will be ,again, US main brothel to receive with a great smile fetid belchs and vomits of high cholesteroled good wealthy people from US , but it will be a formal democracy as Haiti , Guatemala(with a unfinishable civil war), Nicaragua (with presidents chosen by US) and many other places ...

So , Cuba is receiving a brutal desacreditation campaign from outside and someway it does not provoke more effect that somehow reafirmate and legitimate the sense , originalof the revolution .

Ivana reaction was sad ...

For concluding , i have not experienced a worst sensation at travelling that staying , crossing Slovakia border from Hungary and the treatment i received both from czechs and slovaks ... they are not the joy and fraternalism warmth paradigma and in this sense and having met them i can understand how "cabrones" their communist leaders must have been...being democrats they are(nowadays) so menacing , cold and bad humoured , with a totalitarism regime those traits had to be really highlighted .

International communist party in western europe , taking conscience of what was happening in the USSR , openly separated that doctrine and follow other path and methods focussed on social justice policies and sensativeness about the uninherited world and its people ...

My girlfriend 's grandparents suffered the methods of hungarian communists by losing and being expropiated of all the properties they got with sweat , blood and intelligence (were not politicians , just successful scientists ) but she does not reproach Ché Guevara for what Rakosy, Ceaucescu , Breznev did ..It is foolish , it is not the same issue

So , i stop for today ...
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Old 04-13-2006, 04:38 AM
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Walter Salles (Diarios de una motocicleta 's director) practises a sort of independent movie art , just browse his filmography and branches he has taken part in . i recommend his "Estación do Brasil" and "Cidade de Deus" by Fernando Meirelles (salles cooperated) far from demagogia Ivana gifted us and based upon real troubles corcerning the real America beyond platitudes of nice beaches , Salsa , Merengue , Romario , Batigol , Copacabana and the sort of demagogy that the little elite from south america practises when they celebrate erasmus reunions in romanthic expensive(father pays with the money he gets by expliting people in his large acres ) athics in Montparnasse , talking about the revolution while cheering with red expensive wine while at the same time Latin America veins go on bleeding , and bleeding ...

To read ...Eduardo Galeano, Carlos Fuentes , Mario Benedetti,Cortázar , Noam Chomsky , García Márquez
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Old 04-13-2006, 05:02 AM
Karitsiotis Karitsiotis is offline
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Default And something more..

..Believe me i can understand you perfectly,especially after reading what you have to say here..And in a way i agree with you my friend..But i still can't "support" your critique even if i would like to do it..You see,it is not really what we say but the way we say it..And your way,even if it is totally comprehended wasn't the best to express your feelings and opinion...

For once more i wish you a wonderful night..

Nikos..
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Old 04-13-2006, 08:55 AM
Elaine_Blath Elaine_Blath is offline
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Default Well, Miguel,

you´ve succeeded to offend me, congratulations. I was only trying to say my opinion, and I didn´t attack anybody.
I think, that to have a opinion is much better than to have none...
This resulted in a political discussion, which was not my aim - you, suggesting reading Noam Chomsky (I did, I study linguistics and Noam is one the most famous linguist of the world, with his theory on generative grammar) and Marquez (I did, all of his books) - both are politically left-sided, Noam extremely left-sided, which I am not. I believe in cultural evolution and economics theories of F.A. Hayek and others.
That is just my political opinion, and I do not see any reason why you should offend me because I have one.
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Old 04-13-2006, 09:24 AM
Elaine_Blath Elaine_Blath is offline
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P.S. And I didn´t compare Che to anyone in Slovakia, and I didn´t say he´s a communist. Why are you lying? Read what I´ve written.

Only thing I said was that he was a mass murderer, who killed a lot of people, which are objective historical facts. So why are you so angry? Because it´s true?
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Old 04-13-2006, 03:17 PM
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And Ivana , you are not so important to make me feel angry , don't throw flowers to yourself , i'm nor angry , don't have reasons...i was not warned but i 've been educated to talk to intelligent people and ok , i was wrong i thought you were an intelligent one , but listening to your unfounded words (why don't you stop reading pink fascists novels inventing tales)...My grandfather had to murder Franco soldiers in spanish civil war trenches , Ché guevara was a guerrillero and he killed and many of Ché people were killed(in larger amiunt) , just fight of trenches , and they had not all the measures to submit the high oppresion they suffer(Ché's troops unfortunately were 4 uthopic without measures to develop such terror structure your writers tell you ) . Be aware US would crave 10 per 100 of what you say could be truth , they would have the perfect coartada(excuse) to attack the rest of the world they have not done yet(with Guantanamos , ramallah gulags included ). I wish Ché had created a Gulag with all Pinochets , Stroessners , Somozas , Batistas , drug dealers , rich owners , Kissingers , terratenientes , latifundistas ... eating just a rice dish per day and leaning down to pray communist manifiesto , but Ché's troops did not cause so much blood because they were 4 + the inmense majority,exploited in América Latina , and this majority has not time excepct to try to feed their stomachs .


I'm not angry my dear . Of course it is not true (what you say) but it is a pity your brain suffers such disfunctions of believing what a fairy pink tale writer tells you , next time i recommend you Gloria Stefan memories and surely you will find the gulag in Playa de los Cocos and Cuban people plotting to blast Israel(surely with music and son cubano , but Gloria and all your intelectual sources will persuade you to think they will do it with aspirines bombs )
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