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ninadev (5225) 2004-10-10 8:23

Désolée JF, je trouve l'image dégoûtante et n'apportant pas vraiment d'intérêt pour TE. au moins si le titre évoquait quelque chose d'autre qu'un repas... ça n'ouvre pas l'appétit.

Aegean (2567) 2004-10-10 13:04

In my opinion this is a very cruel shot and out of every sense of art or aesthetics...Simply a photo that does not fit in TE!

strangiato (76) 2004-10-10 14:12

Very powerful image JF. It shows the cruelty of human beings as well as the need for survival, at the expense of this rabbit.

Ebbe (9571) 2004-10-10 15:41

I find this a good journalistic style but raised in the same climate I am used to the scene. I think the hare needs a bit more light to come out well. The background could have been better, just an angle avoiding the windowframe had been an improvement. But for the close up, tight framing and bold idea I give you two points anyway.

bebel (7343) 2004-10-10 16:11

je n'aime pas cette image et pourtant j'ai été élevé à la campagne, mon oncle enlevait même l'oeil du lapin pour le saigner, il tuait aussi les cochons. ça n'empêche que je n'aime pas ce genre de photo. J'ai été élevé aussi entouré de chasseurs et de tableaux de chasse...
(j'aurai bien du mal à estimer les critères techniques)

j'ajoute également qu'après avoir cherché qui était notre collègue de TE, je n'ai rien appris puisque sa présentation n'existe pas. Au contraite de la plupart des autres membres... très surprenant
Pierrot

     ophildeleau (80) 2004-10-11 5:20 [Comment]

jrenier (762) 2004-10-11 15:34

This picture is great, because it's life.
In this case, it's even more, it's humour.
Tiny brains are not able to understand I guess
But it should be in treklens ...

A note would have been very usefull to justify this ;)

L'humour noir, on aime ou on aime pas.
Cette photo n'a rien de dégoûtant, il n'y a que les petits d'esprit qui s'offusquent devant une scène pareille.

Gix (3559) 2004-10-16 3:30 [Comment]

Retagger (26) 2005-09-09 23:46

What did I learn from your photo? NOTHING! There is no logical reason for this photo to be posted on TrekEarth and I therefore ask Adam to remove this sick photo from this great website. What a disgrace. This photo absolutly ruins the the true meaning of this website.

David..........................

     b4man (15) 2005-09-28 12:16

Wouldnt want to hang it on my wall, but it is certainly a picture that says something, and forces people to think about where the food they eat (and photograph)comes from.

     alabama_pl (340) 2005-10-02 11:51

I agree completely with IaKoop; Life is not a supermatket, so!

Philip (364) 2005-10-05 3:46

haha I loved reading everyone's comments. its a dead animal, whats the big deal? im giving you points just for having the guts to post this with all the tree huggers around ;0) there is no cruelty here, the animal is obviously already dead. I think the animal could be a little better framed in the shot. keep posting!
Philip

rajhema (1863) 2005-10-12 12:06

Read all the comments. I stand in the middle. I still feel this picture doesnot have to be shown at all. Like IaKoop says, there is reality and it doesnot have to be expressed this raw. I read your comments as well and appreciate your expression.

remi06 (0) 2005-10-14 6:00

I think you just missed the goal of this site. Pictures like that have no relation at all with what we all try to do : get in a snapshopt the best of our world though pictures.
Ok, we know that we all have to eat tolive, but this has nothing to do with art(even though I am not pretending at all to be an artist).

Most of the time, you can make detect into our world's misery something beautiful, from a smile, a face, a look. And this is the real challenge. But always in keeping respect, like someone said befor me.

     sines (0) 2005-10-19 12:34

How can I use a smiley to qualify that "shot". It is a real shot, but about death. There is no reason to post such a photo on this site even if its to recommend us to become vegetarian. There are other better ways. It is really disgusting in my point of view and I share all the critiques and comments made by TE members. It deserves no point at all even the first one who recommends improvement. How can you improve it? Of course we are animals and we, "society" kill to eat, but the image is too violent, too cruel for my eyes. I would add that if we say that TE is to learn about the world through photographie, why don't we post people making love, why don't we post people being executed, operated, why don't we post dead people lying on the floor after a drama, or whatever...All those things exist even worse. We can find a way to express the same feeling without using and showing it. I think when you reach that point, then you can consider yourself as a photographer...

toniox (868) 2005-11-01 3:11 [Comment]

imagiste (62) 2005-11-06 19:01

Un point pour le "guts" de publier cette photo et d'avoir démarré un bon nombre de discussions intéressantes, que ce soit sur la définition d'un photographe ou l'acceptabilité d'images dures selon certains points de vue...

Sans doute la présence d'un seul élément supplémentaire pertinent à ton sujet, même en arrière-plan et hors-foyer, aurait permis une lecture au deuxième degré, assuré une composition moins... crûe :o) et aurait fait pencher certaines critiques en ta faveur parce qu'on se serait plus attardé au message qu'à la forme. C'est l'un des pouvoirs de la photographie que de donner une forme supportable à un contenu difficile. Cette "mise en forme" - l'art, dit-on... - facilite la prise de conscience et l'acceptation du sujet.

Continue à aiguiser ton regard et à nous faire profiter des résultats.

Jean-François

     Porteplume (3255) 2005-11-10 7:05

Je ne suis pas "sanguinaire", je déteste la violence, la guerre et ceux qui font souffrir les animaux, mais cette photo ne me choque pas.
C'est la vie de tous les jours pour bon nombre d'entre nous. Cet animal a été élevé dans de bonnes conditions et il va maintenant nourrir celui qui l'a nourri.
Je me demande combien des précédents critiqueurs ont réfléchi aux conditions dans lesquelles l'animal qui a produit le morceau de porc/boeuf/poulet/dinde etc... et même votre oeuf! - dans leur assiette, a été élevé.

Je reprendrai donc les mots de Mike/mdchachi : "This photo indeed tells us something about the world. Your title indicates that the animal has been killed for food so it's no different than the pictures of dead dogs, pigs, ducks, etc that we see on TE. So I've learned that rabbits are hunted and eaten in Quebec."

* C'est la photo de Fil - with only green smileys - qui m'a poussée à donner un commentaire.

dmitriy55 (267) 2005-12-04 21:23

As several people have already pointed out, I disagree with the close-minded reactions of others. This photo does indeed stir a lot of emotion. I see this as one of the virtues of photography in general. As some have also pointed out, we live in the real world and the emotions associated with it are not always positive. There is no reason to sugarcoat the world. Life is life and one of the virtues of TE is illustrating it. Much like other good photos on TE, this picture illustrates nuances of this world and helps us see and learn more of it.

Please don't see this as coldhearted. I love rabbits and think they are the most adorable animals, but it is a simple reality that they are food for many people and have to die as a result. Moreover, death is simply part of this world. Even without human intervention, rabbits are eaten by predators. It's the food chain; its the circle of life. We must look at this world objectively and see it as is. It is very sad to see a rabbit die, but such is the reality of life and we must accept it.

On the technical side, this photo is very well composed. As some have pointed out, the composition is very well done and the contrast between the cuteness of the rabbit and the dark drops of blood is stunning. If I am not mistaken, the purpose of this photograph was precicely to show that and I think that the photographer accomplished the job well.

Again, it is very, very sad to see a rabbit die, but c'est la vie... :-(

dege_801s (25) 2005-12-07 7:48

" buat saya foto ini sangat tidak banyak pengaruh nya di fotografi karena meskipun banyak orang di sini bilang bahwa gaya dari foto ini sangat ke arah jurnalistik tapi sayang nya bagi saya ini adalah perbuatan yang di tujukan hanya menyatakan bahwa foto ini menerangkan ke viewer kalau foto ini tergolong bebas tapi sayang nya tidak ada sense apa apa di dalam foto ini"

Find it in your dictionary, to know exactly what i said

shel (102) 2005-12-09 11:16

There is a photo on this site that shows a woman in a third-world country trying desperately to avoid having her photo taken. She is clearly in extreme distress. The note attached to that photo basically explains that the photographer doesn't give a damn about the woman's distress. That I find obscene.
And yet, that photo attracted only 2 negative critiques, compared to this one.
What a strange world we live in.

Sheldon (shel)

Domo (2) 2005-12-14 15:51

HI, I was a gamekeeper for 3 years, so this does not shock me, however putting an image like this does not do anything for game keeping as a business, it only adds fuel to the fire, more and more keepers are loosing their jobs because some folk do not understand the nature of country life, seeing images like this will not help in anyway. When I was keeping I always made sure that game, living or dead were treated with respect, I believe that some animals were put on this earth for humans to survive, this does not mean we have to parade them like trophies. As a former gamekeeper I appologise on behalf of this photographer to all the people that have been affended by this image. This should not have been posted.

skinnykid (4) 2005-12-18 18:07 [Comment]

kckuddes (273) 2005-12-19 17:51

It's a very powerful photograph and more so for people that have not grown up on a farm. When I was young we lived on a farm in Kansas where we raised rabbits for food among other animals. I have also seen a rapture which is far more brutil than a farms means of killing.

keithor (63) 2006-01-15 14:08

Aside from the politics involved with this photo I think that the picture is of good composition and focused well. I think that the people who are most offended by your photo should consider what it was you said in your notes and consider the vegetarian option.

I think that this shot is not much different than some photo-journalism shots that I have seen in the past. Some photos are offensive to some and brilliant to others. I personally see no diference between a couple of drops of blood dripping from a rabbits nose and a couple of tears streaming down a womans face, because she just found out that her husband died in the tsunami. I agree with neither photo but I suppose I can see the merit in shooting both. Please tell me that those who are offended by this picture are also offended by the people screaming in a photo taken at sept. 11. All of these events are painful to watch and painful to be reminded of but I believe that pictures of dead animals should be less offensive that pictures of Human losses or Human sorrows. Bravo on such a controversial photo.
And Thank You for sharing.

gelor (3224) 2006-01-27 13:01

Bonjour JF,
J'ai osé une fois proposer une photo relative aux pratiques de la chasse. Je l'ai retirée bien vite suite aux commentaires reçus. Bien que chasseur, je nourris les oiseaux de mon jardin chaque jour. Cette semaine, ils ont consommé trois kilos de graines de tournesol. Je dispose également des nids... La chasse est une activité qui protège la nature, je le soutiens. Quelques personnes irrespectueuses de l'animal ne doivent pas jeter le discrédit sur une majorité qui sait ce qu'elle fait ! Faire souffrir des animaux est complètement inadmissible et me révulse. De toute évidence, ce n'est pas ici le cas. Nourrir des lapins ou des volailles pour les consommer provoque encore ce genre de réactions bien que les conditions d'élevage et d'abattage respectent les règles que s'imposent toutes les personnes raisonnables et sensibles me semble pour le moins hypocrite (et je pèse mes mots). Faut-il imposer que nous soyons tous végétariens ? Ta photo déclenche une discussion et c'est déjà une raison pour qu'elle existe. Savoir si c'est le lieu est un autre problème. En tout cas le classement dans "moment décisif" me semble bienvenu. Ta notation devrait s'en ressentir dans l'avenir, ce n'est pas une prédiction...
Dans les images qui sont partagées je suis bien plus choqué par la condition des enfants, en particulier en Afrique. Que chacun se mobilise pour apporter un peu d'avenir à ces populations ! Ce que certains d'entre nous font à titre individuel serait bien plus efficace si nous savions nous grouper pour exiger plus d'humanisme. La bonne image, c'est très bien mais qu'elle soit utilisée pour sensibiliser est mieux encore. Mesdames et messieurs les moralisateurs, posez-vous la question de savoir quel pourcentage de votre revenu vous avez consacré à ces enfants. Tant pis si mes propos choquent.

FORJP001 (3819) 2006-02-08 21:50

Cela fait plusiers fois que je vois paraître cette photo dans le générique de TE, et telle photo se prête si bien à la controverse que je ne peux m'empêcher, à mon tour, de mettre mon grain de sel pour Le repas!!! .

Nonobstant les pour et les contre je dois tirer mon chapeau au photographe qui, au départ, savait qu'il allait choquer et provoquer une réaction pour ou contre on s'en fiche...L'important était de provoquer une réaction et c'est très bien réussi si on compte le nombre de smiley pour et les ceuses qui sont contre.

J'ai remarqué dans le cas de cette photographie, que l'oeil veut voir ce qu'il aimerait voir et essaie par toutes sortes de façon ou de subterfuges de masquer la réalité mais il ne peut le faire alors il s'en prend à la critique et est heureux d'avoir trouvé cette échapatoire pour se défouler et jeter son dévolu au su et à la vue de tous de TE. Juste à lire tous ces critiques des plus élogieuses et on comprendra tout ou rien du tout selon que l'on est pour ou contre la publication de la photo.

Félicitaion pour avoir suscité une telle controverse et vous l'avez mérité amplement votre smiley souriant.

Jean-Pierre

     DanielFilipe (94) 2006-02-18 18:18

Imagens como esta são parte deste mundo. Independentemente da fotografia destuar com a grande maioria das fotografias expostas neste site e de ser ofensiva para muitas pessoas, a censura e bem pior.

Zivko (205) 2006-02-23 7:09

I am indignant at this cruelty! How could you post it!? Igit! Scheiße!

flydragon (0) 2006-04-04 6:50

bon voici un commentaire presque deux ans apres,
mais je suis tombé sur cette page par hasard.
tu dis : " Ce lapin est né, a été élevé et est mort dans le respect"
moi je dirai si tu aimes et respecte tes lapins, je ne trouve pas cette photo
tres respectueuse. tu ne lui pas rendu hommage ici.
franchement je trouve ça de tres mauvais gout, pour quelqu'un qui se dit aimer
les lapins.

ein22 (462) 2006-05-08 3:27

Wow.

.... ummmm I really am speechless but want to say something postive towards this great photo.

The Blood lingering on the haresnose is really creepy. I mean the last glint in it's eye as it hangs there is really intense to look at. I commend you heaps with this photo.

haijekov (185) 2006-05-18 21:41

Truely one of the most controversial pictures i've ever seen ... really intense ... painful in a way that would make me feel like crap for an instant, hate you even for a couple of moments for taking it. i am in pain actually.
but still i have second thoughts ... u made me feel something because of this picture ... i'm not a vegetarian will probably never be one ... so the feeling's not related to your note but still that picture made me flinch. and i think that makes it a successful shot. so despite starting to write this after clicking on the NR, i'll give you two points ... but please, go easy on us here

david (3972) 2006-06-02 3:16

why does learning abou the world have to be tasteful?

it's ok to show cambodians living in dumps, it's ok to show people begging in the streets. why not show a dead rabbit??

as long as photos such as this serve a purpose and meaning, then it's very appropriate for trek earth.

i think people here are just too easily offended ... if you don't want to be offended, disconnect your internet and go live in the box your computer came in!

although this shot makes me squirmish, i applaud the photographer for capturing the image. i might have converted it to b&w to make it more graphically appealing.

great shot ... creating a controversy is a good thing! well done! :)

Mostasz (33) 2006-06-12 12:37

OK Photo wish the whole ear was in the shot
I think this photo shows the harsh reality of life ,
I find it interesting that lots of people have no problem with animals that are slathered in cruel ways and sold in supermarkets
But they have a problem with a rabbit that has been shot
Nevertheless I agree it should be on TL not on TE
It could be in any country

     rahul__rahul__ (2250) 2006-07-18 16:08

This picture has the highest number of that bad smiley that I have seen out of them all on TE! I do not really think that it is bad to show this on TE, technically well too.
Rahul

PogoStick (502) 2006-07-26 19:46

i love it. well composed and speaks volumes. it wouldn't be nearly as effective if there were no blood present. the thoughts this image conjures up in peoples mindsd is the definition of art.

     sharnah (6) 2006-07-30 18:05 [Comment]

Georges (11183) 2006-08-13 3:44

Je tombe par hazard sur cette photo postée en 2004 2 ans apres en gros et je suis surpris de la voir encore sur le site.
Comment peut on autoriser de telle images alors que d'autres interessantes sont supprimées.
Je regarde souvent le site avec ma petite fille qui a un petit lapin de compagnie et elle en a pleuré de voir une photo aussi cruelle.

Je ne condamne pas le geste du boucher qui a fait sa car cela fait partis d'un quotidien, mais le votre qui prend un malin plaisir a photographier une scene de ce type.

La prochaine fois essayer de cadrer au moins correctement si cela etait dans vos possibilités bien sur!!!!!

La 1ere fois que je met vraiment de bon coeur un vrai bonhomme vert clair et franchement m'attarder dessue cette photo est deja beaucoup.




I fall by hazard on this photograph posted in 2004 2 years after approximately and I am surprised to still see it on the site. How can one authorize of such images whereas the other interesting ones are removed. I often look at the site with my small daughter who has a small rabbit of company and it cried about it to see such a cruel photograph. I do not condemn the gesture of the butcher who made his bus that made parties of a daily newspaper, but it a your which takes malicious pleasure has to photograph a scene of this type. The next time to try to tally at least correctly if that were in your possibilities well on!!!!! The 1st time that I really good heart a true green catch clearly puts and frankly to delay me dessue this photograph is already much.

lukasson (133) 2006-08-28 15:54

Wow, for some enlightened "artists" alot of the people on this site are particularly narrow minded.
People saying, "this teaches me nothing, i know rabbits die and bleed..."
That's like looking at a photo of a bird and saying "I learn nothing from this photo. I know birds can fly..."

Personally, i have no idea what the note says, however, i think this is a great shot, and the death is obviously inflicted by man (either that or a very clever fox) There is a sadness in the rabbits eye, and his rich red blood dripping from his nose looks fresh and still warm.

jrzufferey (7249) 2006-09-10 13:56

Comme gelor j'ai mis une ou deux fois des images de chasse, ça ne passe pas très bien et je peux le comprendre j'en ai fait l'expérience. Mais de là à refuser d'admettre une réalité de tous les jours et de tous les consommateurs de viande il y a un cheminement à faire. La réalité de votre assiette passe par de semblable image, alors bravo à Opti s'il réussit à le faire dans le grand respect le sacrifice de l'animal. Pour la photographie... effectivement sans l'avoir vu pas de débat. Amitié à vous tous /jr

As gelor I put one or twice images of hunting, that does not pass very well and I can include/understand it I made the experiment of it. But from there to refuse to admit a reality of the every the meat day and all consumers there is a advance to make. The reality of your plate passes by similar image, then cheer with Opti if it succeeds in doing it in the large respect of the sacrifice of the animal. For photography… without to have indeed seen it not debate. Friendship with you all /jr

Sherrish (518) 2006-10-13 10:03

I am at a loss as to why this image repeatedly appears as featured image on Trekearth's main page. I understand this to be a sight devoted to learning about the world through photography and, whatever interesting message this photo has to convey, is has done so thoroughly many times over. The sight gets MANY wonderful photos – many excellent examples – and I believe the editors of the site could move on and give others a chance to be featured. Please?

Peter_rggu (193) 2006-10-29 7:58

awful idea. it is not necessary to post such pictures here.

limule (3863) 2006-11-16 15:57

Bonsoir, la photo est reussie, techniquement et le sujet est perturbant, vu le nombres de commenatires que tu as recu... et elle est bien dans le sujet car elle concerne l activite predatrice de l homme sur la planete.... c est donc bien une decouverte du monde. Je suis chercheur et je travaille dans le domaine de la recherche contre le cancer, avec des animaux. Et j'aime les animaux, comme peut en temoigner les photos postees sur TN. Alors oui ta photo est utile, oui la question philosophique du comportement de l' homme en direction des animaux est une question importante, oui il y a des gens , dont je fais partie, qui vivent leur vie professionnelle en se posant cette question..... par ailleurs, il y a des photos sur des hommes, qui n' ont pas choisi leur sort, plus difficile a regarder que celle ci, pour moi en tout cas....

Ioan (49) 2006-11-18 12:05

It is a very powerfull photo. Very nice contrast. Although I admit it, it's a little bit chilly, I don't agree with the one who think that this isn't a photo appropriate for TE. TE tries to show us the world through photography. The world and the life itself has also a dark side. I think photos with subject like yours are more then welcome on this site if are of good quality and have a good comment. Your photo adds a little bit of realism on TE. Regards

rafid76 (2611) 2006-11-28 14:30

i like this image, not because im for killing animals but i think we have something common you should click on my USA images and see my hunting pics and all the negative comments i recived but they were mostly thru my email.
they eyes opening creeps me out! but well taken

rickl69 (124) 2006-11-29 11:16

People need to understand one thing. This web page is called TrekEarth. The idea is to share life experiance from around the world. People kill and eat animals for both sport, and survival. Its part of life. I think this is a fantastic image of reality. Death is part of life to include the life blood running from the dead. The only problem I have with this shot is the cropping is a bit too tight on the paws and ears. This is truly a very telling photo.

Noire (14) 2006-12-15 5:25

great job on this shot.

I think it works well for the criteria of trek earth. Trek Earth is about learning about different parts of the world through photography. I could not understand all the French in your writeup. If you're talking about vegetarianism, and some context of maybe how it was killed, or why, or some sort of insight on the situation, and maybe with some Canadian content regarding this photo, I would say this is a great unique picture. Like some already said you yourself posed no cruelty to this animal, as it was already dead.

This is definately not a cookie cutter image, and hats off to you for making an attempt to show "not just the pretty in the world." Moreso, this, to me is artisitic, as it evokes controversy, interest and discgust through your interpretation of this situation through your lens.

jsec (2074) 2006-12-20 7:22

I always say, dont take a picture if you wouldn't like to hang it on your wall. In that respect this image is quite a poor capture. There are better subjects to dwell on.

jazu (385) 2006-12-31 17:26

One comment. You must be a very troubled man

Angeni (69) 2007-01-02 15:14 [Comment]

imagizer (34) 2007-01-08 9:20

This photo has to look for here nothing. Remove please immediately. Terribly!!

zoni (12) 2007-01-10 5:54 [Comment]

sjofre (107) 2007-01-10 11:39

É uma imagem polémica e, como tal, tem muita gente contra e muita gente a favor. Como fotografia, em termos de arte, talvez tenha interesse, eu não o encontro. Julgo que tudo o que potencia a violência não tem interesse. A mim choca-me e deixa-me triste. Em termos de TE não lhe vejo qualquer interesse. Não vejo aqui retratada nenhuma cultura, nenhuma imagem que nos mostre a nossa terra... apenas vejo um coelho morto e exposto para toda a gente ver, mesmo os que não queriam ver. Isso, a mim, parece-me uma provocação e uma ostentação desnecessária de uma violência parva.

     manub (920) 2007-01-17 2:21

This shot and all the debate around it makes me think of all the good-thinking people on TE, praising photographers taking thousends of tons of pictures of human misery, in India, Mali, Peru, etc. homeless in France, in the US, all the "poor-and-sad-little-children-of-the-world", well, poor and sad, but soooooo cuuuute and nice on a photo.

All the good-thinking that praise this kind af photography but are shoked to see a single dead bunny. A banal and normal photo. A bunny is going to be eaten. Point. Not very interesting photo, but I can't understand the hypocrits who say this is shocking.

A photograph of a child on a garbage hill, is ok, it's even "magnificient", "soooo powerful and touching" for the (mostly) rich viewers of TE. But a dead rabbit is a shame??????

garageolympo (242) 2007-01-27 3:29

Good work. I mean the photograph.

neilwade (147) 2007-02-02 20:56

It's not very often that I see a photograph that I'm actually jealous of. This is an incredible capture and I'm ashamed to admit that I'll probably spend the next few years of my life looking for a similar one to put in my portfolio (Maybe I can find a deer or something).

As for a critique: It's underexposed. Open it in Photoshop and hit "Auto Levels", it would make a big difference. I love the gleam in the rabbit's eye. Maybe you could have used a flash to add a little contrast. But the composition is excellent.

As for the controversy: I really enjoyed reading the comments here. I can't believe anyone would say that this doesn't say anything about our world. Some even say that it has a "lack of content". Obviously it has tons of content to envoke such a response from so many people. If this doesn't say anything about our world, what does a picture of a tree or a river or a pretty sunset say? The world isn't rosey. The world is much more harsh than anyone on a western world could ever imagine. Even those of us that travel to "3rd world countries" don't get it. Life is hard for most of the life on this planet.

This picture reminds us of our own hipocracy and the cruelty in every one of our backyards and cupboards. Congratulations.

     UnTrained (0) 2007-02-10 9:05

Hi there, as this is more to the community than to jf. His last work seems to be from last year.

The capture is offending, yes. It is not cruel. From my perspective it is not cruel to kill animals for feeding or other reasons of daily needs. I eat meat and fish and use also other things made from animals.
It is not beautiful. Not in the technical aspects (for me) also not in the shown objective. For me there is no need for a capture posted on TE to be beautiful.

The discussion I found here asked me to make my statement. I am very much aware that some might be offended by this statement too. There are only a very few things, which are reality and I would refuse to publish. Censorship is one of the most dangereous things for a democracy. I try to be careful before I decide for me what should not be shown to public.

If there is the need to tell me what you think about my view, please feel free. You are welcome, as I accept discussion. Ulf

joseelias (367) 2007-02-27 9:22

The following critique was written when originally the photo was posted without any note. Just an image of a dead rabbit.

I think death should be treated with respect, no matter being of a human or animal, so when someone presents an image of it, it should be respectfull and at least write some words about it, not making the death of a living being into a freak exhibitionist fair.

Original critique (I think it says all):

"This is the first time I use this smiley in over a year participating. The reason? I find this photo of very bad taste and offensive.

The objective of this site is learn something of the world through photography and this does not teach me anything. I know rabbits die and bleed. Everybody knows that so this photo add no value.

I would accept if in the note this there was a vegetarian manifest, ideas defending the hunt, or even a proposal on how to cook rabbits, but not this way.

This is a disgusting and offensive image. But you know what? Not offensive to us! Offensive to the rabbit which is a living creature and thus deserve respect.

Would you like to see a pet you love exposed this way? Or someone you love? Yes, because in the end we are all the same. Simple living creatures. No more no less.

More, even as a photo it's very bad! One of the worst in the whole site!"

ebolanos (229) 2007-02-28 12:00

Mi opinion it´s just bad taste, you just have to see the picture of the photographer in his profile to see that he is "different" to say the least, and also it´s not a good picture.

     jonathan_hart (22570) 2007-03-07 19:54 [Comment]

twjthornton (1888) 2007-03-13 18:07

I give a poor smiley because i think it is a very poor and boring technical photo.

But i fully support the poster for choosing to post it and agree thast it there is no reason he should not.

There are far more offensive things on television everyday and so i choose not too owna television.
If you find this relativeley inncuous picture offensive then you are on the wrong website bevause this is about new things.
And yes, apparently, a dead rabbit is a new thing too you.

Rossduncan (20) 2007-03-18 23:36

With all the fuss from so many about how this shot shouldn't be on TE I had to go back and re-read the terms of service and purpose of TE. You see, I'm new to TE and couldn't understand why this wasn't acceptable. Technically its fine, and as some have already pointed out, this shows how some people obtain food. I want to learn about photography from TE but I also want to learn about culture...I am learning a lot from the reactions people have posted. Thanks for posting this picture...poor rabbit.

     Hasvelt (259) 2007-04-17 14:23

it's nasty and not really art in my opinion

what's going on trekearth ? people take photos to show their friends and their children, would you show that photo to your x or xx years old child ?
and others?
would you be glad seeing that photo on walls, in your office or in subway or anywhere ... come on guys what's with you , be honest , Are the people on the treakearth better educated or experienced so? come on count the "nays" ...

andeweg (139) 2007-04-24 7:20

I find this picture revolting, but also very strong. The drops of blood dripping from its nose. It's sad and beautiful at the same time. Because it gives these opposite feelings I thinks this is a very good picture.

Kind regards,
Hans

hobnob (24) 2007-04-25 9:48

I'm sorry, but I can't really see the point of this picture. Maybe if the picture was cut, the composition could be improved. It does also seem a little bit too dark ... but the bleeding and the eye looking straight into the camera adds a dramatic effect.

As mentioned above, I don't know if trekearth is the correct forum for this picture.

regards.
Daniel

Mooshe (16) 2007-05-09 8:05

Superbe photo... J'aime bien aussi la legende et je crois que t'as pas tord. Sinon pour le photo je trouve que le plan aurrais pus etre un tout petit peut plus large afin de voir les oreilles et les pattes en entier.
@+

Sanderson-Brown (1697) 2007-05-14 4:07

There is something unreal about the photo, something about it that doesnt make sense, when you look at it and think, aww thats a cute rabbit, and then realize that it must be dead, i think it is a powerful image that got exactly the reaction that was being looked for.
I have a rabbit at home like this one, but i dont think of the image as being disturbing one bit..thats just my view on it..
Well done!
Paul

evasion (141) 2007-06-06 11:32

si un jour j'ai faim je prendrai la même photo de vous ?

     rinoacq (134) 2007-06-15 3:12

...ci vuole coraggio...
la natura dell'uomo...
la natura sulla natura...
è anche questa,
perchè scandalizzarsi?

...it wants courage to us...the nature of the man... the nature on the nature... is also this, why to be shocked itself?

euk (206) 2007-06-25 11:24 [Comment]

mphotographies (1976) 2007-06-28 5:47

Not so appealing image, yet it speaks volumes of critiques of their depression as well as our own humanity. The image shared here my not appeal to some viewers but this is the reality, I would look away this image since I’m an animal lover myself. I have seen more cruel images than this, man does heinous acts imaginable!

I share the compassion and respect with others here, many have converted themselves into a vegetarian, becoming a resistance to animal killing. This has attracted a public awareness on animal cruelty. I may not like the glimpse into what is done to farmed animal’s life but there is a less cruel way to handle such issue. A permissible or acceptable way rather than strangling, a violent blow or any means being gored to death.

A very explicit and brutal imagery of reality! No matter what angle its PG-13!

Jom

     SoupDragon (652) 2007-07-04 20:07 [Comment]

matt_harris_42 (151) 2007-08-05 9:36

I'm a vegetarian, so I quite like it when people are offended by this sort of thing. Of course it's a horrific picture, but there are too many people who eat meat and try to ignore where it comes from. Squeamishness from meat-eaters is, in my opinion, slightly hypocritical and pathetic. I have less respect for these sort of people than I do for more sensible people who acknowledge where their food is from. So well done for posting this picture, and reminding people where food is from. It is educational, and is composed well, and therefore is totally suitable for TrekEarth.
Regards,
Matt

jang (720) 2007-08-26 9:39

제일 인상에 남았던 토끼의 사진이네요
수많은 토끼들의 사진을 보았지만 이게 제일 인상깊은 토끼.
토끼 입에서 흘러내리는건 피? 나의 조카의 질문입니다.

Wandering_Dan (3211) 2007-08-29 16:14

Technically this is an excellent shot. Composition and clarity are spot-on,a nd the attention is immediately and fimrly drawn to the topic at hand. (A minor quibble: I might have opted to back up a fraction so that the whole of the paws and ears are in the frame.)

As for the subject itself, which has, it seems, stirred so much controversy here: The function of art is to express an opinion or comment about the world; it is not to say how pretty it is. If you want to eat meat, there are certain inevitable consequences to doing so. (I am not a vegetarian, though I don't eat rabbit.) In western countries, especially in the US, almost all of us never see any of the preliminaries attendant on our dinner until it arrives on the table, or, a worst, until it appears, wrapped in plastic, on the supermarket shelf. This photograph demands of us that we think about those preliminaries. If that makes some of us uncomfortable, that is evidence that it has done its job.

That makes it art. Full marks.

Matthew-Watt (4463) 2007-09-06 19:56

G’day Jf,

What a peculiar, divided debate you have generated here! My opinion is that it is unfortunate that this animal has died, and I may not agree with the purpose of its death entirely, but it shows us a fact of life. This happens. I am sure if I went for a drive and took photos of Kangaroos that have been hit by traffic near where I live and posted them on Trek Earth I would be swamped with the same sort of responses. I like this photo for no other reason than it displays to many viewers what is usually a ‘behind the scenes’ undertaking. To put this in perspective, in Australia rabbits were wrongly introduced into the landscape for hunting purposes. It has now displaced many unique marsupial species and has been termed the ‘desert makers’ as it eats all greenery. The Myxomatosis disease has thankfully reduced the numbers but they remain a hated pest and are trapped, shot and poisoned by the thousands. I know it was human error, and that not that of the bunny which was responsible for this problem, but I hope it stands to reason. On a photographic basis, I think the image may have benefited from some more light, but I like, dare I say it, the position of rabbit and the blood. The eye is the most ominous detail. Life can be cruel, but what we need most is acceptance of the realisation; meat will remain a large component of our diets and animals will live and die. Sad Reality.

shayes (495) 2007-09-26 4:01

Your photograph has certainly caused a stir, but I appreciate the note that accompanies it. It seems to be quite hypocritical that some people have placed rude comments saying that this photo is "disgusting" and "horrible", yet they happily eat their steaks at night. How lovely that they live in the blissful ignorance that the hamburger they're eating grew on a tree.

chrisemt74 (37) 2007-10-03 5:25

Very different photo. I was drawn to it, almost immediately. I think it's very, very good.

TFS,

Chris

kwazireal (179) 2007-10-09 9:38

This image reports accurately about a mundane event of everyday life, the killing of creatures to be used a food, human sustinence. It is a starkly effective vision of what is usually unseen by the average person: slaughter...such as takes place millions of times each and every day around the earth when cattle, goats, sheep, hogs, deer, rabbits, and foul are butchered for their meat; for our meat to eat.

The capture, here, was provocative and technically well produced. It fulfills, to an ultimate degree, the objective of Trek Earth...learning about the world through photography. We may not always like to learn what is being taught.

GosiaKrakowska (36) 2007-10-14 11:22

Striking.I do not understand the disgust? The picture is certainly beautiful in its quasi-cruelty. Congratulations for catching the moment.

asaad (107) 2007-10-23 11:55

again again again....

why is this rabbit criticized? its daily life, most of you eat meat, so beef, chicken, rabbit...etc. must be killed (whatever the way)before cooking
because you don't see it, it doesn't mean it didn't happen, supermarket or the butcher its the same but the different is the the meat is served.

congratulation for this shot, well done..
TFS

Saad

     Lee30 (78) 2007-11-01 23:31

It's as sad as the fate of billions of lambs, calves, chickens, etc...that get slaughtered to feed the mankind all over the world!

Peppe (66) 2007-11-18 17:59

I simply cannot see anything that would justify posting the photo.
If it was a killed Canadian seal, I would understand the message. But dead rabbit ?
What did the author want to say? Perhaps nothing, only a provocative act.

Regards,

Peppe

diverjohn (488) 2007-11-27 5:17

powerful image.
I think it should be posted on either TE or TL.
I was worried when I posted the image of a dead salmon on TN, but were you prepared for the number of views and negative comments?

tom_imbard (159) 2007-12-07 12:17

This is just worth being seen here. To all people shocked by this one, would you see it for real, you'd be disgusted but wouldn't shake arms and legs around saying "this is not the world we want to see!'. You'd accept it.
And just because someone's takes the right to bring it to you THROUGH photography, you think it gives you the right to complain?
Well, stop looking at dead trees pictures in winter, then. Would you be shocked by a picture of a tree being cut? Why all people have a problem with death? In the beginning of the century, Weegee took pictures of dead bodies in NY streets. He is now considered one of the biggest photographer ever, although he was severely critiqued in the begining. So who knows, maybe time will give you reason, opti.

I have taken the time to read all your notes, and I think it's hight time to stop the huge controversy... which is nothing but "a hurricane in a glass of water".
Let's not be hypocrits. TE is not about living in wonderland, and if that's what you want, start by throwing away your TV at first.
TE is about sharing photos and opinions going along them. Do you consider the world as it's geographical and topographic limits? Well, i do think the world is much more than mountains, snow, trees, bees and flowers. World is acts, thoughts, opinions. And far from me to say that we don't have to judge : some acts, thoughts and opinions are mean. But i think it's really not the case here.
It's a rabbit. It's dead, but not for nothing. And i'm not going to be falsly offended by it : every summer, i must be killing hundreds of dozens of ants, without even realizing it.
OOhhh? is this controverse so vivid because a rabbit is supposed to be a kind animal and it has fur?
If so, stop killing spiders to the foot, and accept this as the world you HAVE to share about.
And if you don't caution, just don't give point, and don't write comments. Just pass your way. There's no big deal.
Opti, thank you.

flatwin (1934) 2008-01-22 2:15

bonjour,

certes une photo choquante mais très bien réalisée et très nette, en ce qui concerne les propos négatif de cette photo je ne comprend pas, les grands peintres ont bien réalisés des scènes de chasse alors où est le problème, la note explicative le montre il faut manger !

Adrique (579) 2008-02-14 4:21

You have chosen a great photo - ideal to start a discussion!
Unfortunately I do not understand a word what´s written in your note; according to the viewers´ posts it seem to be an integral part of the photo. So I don´t get half of the photo´s meaning.
POV is clever, causing sympathy for the animal.
Since it the photo shows nothing that´d put it in wider context of exploring Earth, I cannot give you more than 1 point, even though the image itself is very good.
I was thinking about rotating the image 90° CCW to see the blood drops in horizontal position, which could increase the controversy and shock-effect of the image even more (not to mention to post it on TrekNature!).
Best regards!
Adrian

clmoncada (59) 2008-02-24 17:16

Excelente foto. creo que tiene un mensaje muy fuerte con respecto a la muerte. La sangre que corre de la boca del conejo habla por si sola, creo q es el centro de atracción de esta obra y sobre todo expresa esta fase de la vida que es la muerte (muy súblime)

Creo que esta es una verdadera obra de arte por que genera polémica y diversos puntos de opinión.

Una ves más te felicito por tu obra de arte

panik75 (102) 2008-03-14 3:50

A great photo captured at the right moment just before the blood leaves the animal to hit the ground.
If you have more you should post them.
As for me becoming vegeterian just becuase of this picture I think noy :) Nice try though...

H2OKOT (180) 2008-04-07 13:57

I am not sure if you can describe this picture in the category of beauty or ugliness....for sure it evokes some emotions and if thats its purpose, than you have succeeded.

Mark

Sne011 (3099) 2008-05-11 4:08

This is terrible and it's not art of any kind...

     steliosk (4784) 2008-05-13 8:08

Firstly I didn't know how to comment in this one, but after a point this was quite easy.

You're describing a fact we like to ignore, not to get mess with blood, not hurting the animal, but hunting and killing for surviving is necessary and imagine this little fella here cooked.. yummy isn't it? After that point we don't even care how did we capture and killed the animal and all that I described above. We simply enjoy the pleasure of eating it. At least that what I want to think, and not just stare a brutal picture of torturing an animal, which action would have no use in life.

Now what feelings does this picture create? what are we ready to see when we click over a picture, what we would like to see, and what do we "people" accept seeing.

Many questions, and many answers.

As a daily life picture this one takes place among other things that happen in our life and we chose to close our eyes to them.
So you have to decide what kind of photos do you want to project and choose what kind of feelings do you want to create to your viewers. That part is for you,
now as for the picture, the technical part is not the best you could get to describe this, its not actually taken in a butcher shop where more elements and different backgrounds could compose something better, instead of cold white colours and no feeling, except the fact captured. Sure thing, its not an attractive picture, but that exact point is quite attractive. plus, the many comments you got made this picture successful.
as for me? I don't like that picture, but that doesn't mean that I don't understand the meaning of it.

I'm afraid your note isn't useful for somebody who doesn't speak French like me :)
I usually give two points for each effort, but I wont rate this one because like I said, I don't like it even if I can live with it.

Regards
Stelios

jmdaoudal (82) 2008-05-24 7:43

Stop T E rabbit running front page !

greek (7404) 2008-06-24 3:50

i like the message, stop the cruelity towards animals

     mjdundee (3498) 2008-07-24 3:53 [Comment]

SCidER (386) 2008-08-12 13:22

nice detailed shot.. but unfortunate subject...

gganiaa (30) 2008-09-09 13:32

simply amazing/
sad but true

     jimkilgallon (0) 2008-10-10 21:46

Why does this image keep appearing on the front of the TE page.. it is so yesterday this image... I would prefer to see a Lion slaying a Zebra for his evening meal all the time than this ugly furry thing dripping blood... not the artist fault that TE seems to bring this image up the time, you'd think something like this would be better on the front page if we are going to see blood http://www.trekearth.com/viewphotos.php?l=3&p=914834

luighi (4060) 2008-11-18 5:12

Estoy arto de que salga esta critica en la pagina principal , imagino que habra mas criticas interesantes no?

Adrian_S (588) 2009-02-01 3:40

"Les fleurs du mal". That's all I have to say. Beauty expressed through grotesque. Oustanding.

lucasgalodoido (16583) 2009-02-16 15:56

Olá JF,
apesar de ser meio chocanet assim a primeira vista, não deixa de ser uma bela fotografia, e é isso que interessa, ela atingiu seu papel aqui. Gostei!
Parabéns e Abraço

freakywindow (8) 2009-04-21 7:55

Horrific but good shot

Karyn674 (55) 2009-04-25 0:20

Seems like this picture shocked a lot of people.

I'm also an amimal lover, however, still a meat eater, a great part of 'modern' civilisation have lost the survival skills, due to comodities...packaged and frozen meat. So we never have to kill ourselved....yet we still eat meat and this photo brigns a harsh reality to those who stock their freezer and never give much thought on the process or the suffering of the animal itself, since we're not seeing it!
Imo worse then this is definately waste of food!

satyakki (312) 2009-05-17 12:02

This is againsty TE policy of "Learning about the world through photography." What is this all about ? Note is not universally understood. And what is TE management doing in not avoiding this meaningless murderous pic. TE does not allow shots of flowers because they do not communicate anything about the world. What does this communicate? That there is anough blood in the world or still there is less and we need more ??????????????????????????????????
Satyakki