Le repas

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• jhe00 (271)
• [2004-10-10 8:23]
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slightly horrific but a very impressive capture. great composition and drama.

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• ninadev (5053)
• [2004-10-10 8:23]
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Désolée JF, je trouve l'image dégoûtante et n'apportant pas vraiment d'intérêt pour TE. au moins si le titre évoquait quelque chose d'autre qu'un repas... ça n'ouvre pas l'appétit.

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• anakin (2761)
• [2004-10-10 8:46]
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Una foto no muy apropiada pienso...no es de mi gusto para nada

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• Aegean (2559)
• [2004-10-10 13:04]
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In my opinion this is a very cruel shot and out of every sense of art or aesthetics...Simply a photo that does not fit in TE!

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• Hanssie (9123)
• [2004-10-10 13:48]
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Several times I saw this picture today and I still don't know, why this have to be posted on a site, where it is the meaning to show pictures of your country. There's even not a note why....
No points !
Bad shot !

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• strangiato (76)
• [2004-10-10 14:12]
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Very powerful image JF. It shows the cruelty of human beings as well as the need for survival, at the expense of this rabbit.

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• Keitht (1070)
• [2004-10-10 15:30]
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I have no particular problem with the content although the purpose of the site is to learn about the world through photography, and as it stands, I don't think the photo fits the brief. A wider shot, showing the context, could have been just as powerful without causing the offence felt by some.

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• Ebbe (9515)
• [2004-10-10 15:41]
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I find this a good journalistic style but raised in the same climate I am used to the scene. I think the hare needs a bit more light to come out well. The background could have been better, just an angle avoiding the windowframe had been an improvement. But for the close up, tight framing and bold idea I give you two points anyway.

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• vapours (7692)
• [2004-10-10 15:52]
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I think this photo had the chance to be very powerful, perhaps showing the cruelty towards animals in a meat market or wherever it is and being a positive influence.

However the fact it is no note has failed to achieve this and hence just looks like its glorifying the death of this rabbit.

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• bebel (7242)
• [2004-10-10 16:11]
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je n'aime pas cette image et pourtant j'ai été élevé à la campagne, mon oncle enlevait même l'oeil du lapin pour le saigner, il tuait aussi les cochons. ça n'empêche que je n'aime pas ce genre de photo. J'ai été élevé aussi entouré de chasseurs et de tableaux de chasse...
(j'aurai bien du mal à estimer les critères techniques)

j'ajoute également qu'après avoir cherché qui était notre collègue de TE, je n'ai rien appris puisque sa présentation n'existe pas. Au contraite de la plupart des autres membres... très surprenant
Pierrot

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• kikvel (4764)
• [2004-10-10 17:42]
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No note to acompan the pic. No sense at all.

I will never get the reason here.
Sorry.

K.

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• ophildeleau (80)
• [2004-10-11 5:20]
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• Didi (29119)
• [2004-10-11 11:50]
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A l'heure où je consulte cette photo, elle a été vue 191 fois et critiquée 14 fois.
Mon opinion rejoint la majorité.
Vous répondez : C'est pourtant une scène de la vie de tout les jours...
Je réponds que je ne photographierai jamais un humain ou un animal en train de faire ses besoins bien que ce soit aussi une scène de la vie de tout les jours.
Mon commentaire n'est pas dans le but de vous vexer.

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• jrenier (762)
• [2004-10-11 15:34]
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This picture is great, because it's life.
In this case, it's even more, it's humour.
Tiny brains are not able to understand I guess
But it should be in treklens ...

A note would have been very usefull to justify this ;)

L'humour noir, on aime ou on aime pas.
Cette photo n'a rien de dégoûtant, il n'y a que les petits d'esprit qui s'offusquent devant une scène pareille.

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• DiaAzul (1332)
• [2004-10-15 23:14]
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I don't mind the content of the image, however, it does seem to lack some sort of context - I read in the note that it is in front of the abatoir, however, this is not clear from the photograph and to gain maximum impact it should be. As it stands it is trying to make a political statement on the rights/wrongs of hunting/farming without really conveying it in the picture - in reality the picture just serves to get people to read the note.

Aside from the above, whilst the whiskers are in focus the background is distracting and the fur appears unsharp/out of focus.

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• Gix (3555)
• [2004-10-16 3:30]
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• mdchachi (1603)
• [2004-10-20 10:16]
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I never give points but I'm making an exception because of all the close-minded reaction you are getting (even from old-timers!). Technically the shot is good. DOF is good. Composition too. But best thing is the powerful emotion caused by the contrast to the alive-looking rabbit and blood which indicates otherwise.

This photo indeed tells us something about the world. Your title indicates that the animal has been killed for food so it's no different than the pictures of dead dogs, pigs, ducks, etc that we see on TE. So I've learned that rabbits are hunted and eaten in Quebec.

I agree a note would be nice but on the other hand, what is there to say. The title says it all.

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• Retagger (16)
• [2005-09-09 23:46]
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What did I learn from your photo? NOTHING! There is no logical reason for this photo to be posted on TrekEarth and I therefore ask Adam to remove this sick photo from this great website. What a disgrace. This photo absolutly ruins the the true meaning of this website.

David..........................

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• IaKoop (802)
• [2005-09-25 15:26]
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Wow, what a battle this has started! I'm not sure from previous critiques whether this was originally posted without comment, or whether folks simply disagreed with the comments made. If your notes were added later, I'm glad it was done. I feel every shot in TrekEarth should include notes, for this is about learning. If the photo is as contraversial as this, then notes should be mandatory.

That said, I agree with mdchachi. This does tell us about the world, like it or not. As a photo, you've caught the blood mid-drip, very effective. The exposure may be a little dark, but that goes with the sombre mood. I agree that a different background may have been nicer, but many less-perfect photos have received more points.

Finally, the subject. I feel that society, especially we North Americans, have moved towards a surreal world where we like to eat, but we like to pretend we don't kill. While I can understand where this comes from, for killing always brings some remorse (or at least it should), respect for the animal is lost in this denial. When I lived in a native Canadian community, eating fresh caribou and salmon, I learned to thank the animal that died for me as I ate. When I returned to a world of beef and chicken wrapped in styrofoam and cellophane, I found that the gift the animal gave is too easily forgotten. By choosing not to think of it, we choose not to be grateful. The respect is gone.

I bow to hunters, farmers and vegetarians, for in the modern world they seem to be the last who remember where meat comes from. I take the angry posts at this reminder as proof. Thanks for making us think opti.

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• b4man (15)
• [2005-09-28 12:16]
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Wouldnt want to hang it on my wall, but it is certainly a picture that says something, and forces people to think about where the food they eat (and photograph)comes from.

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• maurazos (0)
• [2005-09-29 18:00]
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Cruel, but a good picture anyway. The author could see the best of that image and create a very impactant composition. Regards.

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• alabama_pl (338)
• [2005-10-02 11:51]
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I agree completely with IaKoop; Life is not a supermatket, so!

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• ephemere33 (9680)
• [2005-10-05 3:28]
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je ne comprends pas le plasir de partager ce genre de photo sur TE et autres sites d'aillieurs...je n'aime pas du tout et rejoinds tous mes amis sur les commentaires négatifs, qui ne sauraient en être autrement...celà n'apporte rien et on se fait vite une opinion sur la personne qui poste ce genre de photo...la nature est si belle...gardons là telle quelle...et en plus la note accompagnant cette horrible image me fait vomir...suis désolée de ne pas accepter..c'est trop cruel...BI

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• Philip (358)
• [2005-10-05 3:46]
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haha I loved reading everyone's comments. its a dead animal, whats the big deal? im giving you points just for having the guts to post this with all the tree huggers around ;0) there is no cruelty here, the animal is obviously already dead. I think the animal could be a little better framed in the shot. keep posting!
Philip

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• d3viant (358)
• [2005-10-07 15:55]
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It's a controversial shot, and tree-huggers be damned - this is life, people! This IS how it is!

I wouldn't personally have posted it, but good on ya for having the balls. It definitely got people thinking! You're right - if it shocks you, then why aren't you vegetarian!

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• rajhema (1784)
• [2005-10-12 12:06]
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Read all the comments. I stand in the middle. I still feel this picture doesnot have to be shown at all. Like IaKoop says, there is reality and it doesnot have to be expressed this raw. I read your comments as well and appreciate your expression.

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• Prisley (1134)
• [2005-10-14 5:41]
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• remi06 (0)
• [2005-10-14 6:00]
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I think you just missed the goal of this site. Pictures like that have no relation at all with what we all try to do : get in a snapshopt the best of our world though pictures.
Ok, we know that we all have to eat tolive, but this has nothing to do with art(even though I am not pretending at all to be an artist).

Most of the time, you can make detect into our world's misery something beautiful, from a smile, a face, a look. And this is the real challenge. But always in keeping respect, like someone said befor me.

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• nofer (3178)
• [2005-10-14 21:13]
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Sem comentários...

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No comment...

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• sines (0)
• [2005-10-19 12:34]
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How can I use a smiley to qualify that "shot". It is a real shot, but about death. There is no reason to post such a photo on this site even if its to recommend us to become vegetarian. There are other better ways. It is really disgusting in my point of view and I share all the critiques and comments made by TE members. It deserves no point at all even the first one who recommends improvement. How can you improve it? Of course we are animals and we, "society" kill to eat, but the image is too violent, too cruel for my eyes. I would add that if we say that TE is to learn about the world through photographie, why don't we post people making love, why don't we post people being executed, operated, why don't we post dead people lying on the floor after a drama, or whatever...All those things exist even worse. We can find a way to express the same feeling without using and showing it. I think when you reach that point, then you can consider yourself as a photographer...

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• banyanman (7470)
• [2005-10-30 7:48]
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It is a pity that this ended up on the front page of TE today (I suppose what gets shown on the front page is automated because I am sure Adam would not have deliberately given this shot such profile). Whatever its technical merits may be, and whatever your motives were in trying to 'shock', it is in bad taste and completely out place on this site.

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• toniox (856)
• [2005-11-01 3:11]
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• toni_al (14012)
• [2005-11-06 17:41]
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Je pense que cette photo est très mal placée dans se site. Personnellement je n'aime pas.
Toni

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• imagiste (62)
• [2005-11-06 19:01]
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Un point pour le "guts" de publier cette photo et d'avoir démarré un bon nombre de discussions intéressantes, que ce soit sur la définition d'un photographe ou l'acceptabilité d'images dures selon certains points de vue...

Sans doute la présence d'un seul élément supplémentaire pertinent à ton sujet, même en arrière-plan et hors-foyer, aurait permis une lecture au deuxième degré, assuré une composition moins... crûe :o) et aurait fait pencher certaines critiques en ta faveur parce qu'on se serait plus attardé au message qu'à la forme. C'est l'un des pouvoirs de la photographie que de donner une forme supportable à un contenu difficile. Cette "mise en forme" - l'art, dit-on... - facilite la prise de conscience et l'acceptation du sujet.

Continue à aiguiser ton regard et à nous faire profiter des résultats.

Jean-François

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• majastan (75)
• [2005-11-10 5:51]
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I am not shocked or disgusted by this photo because this is life and it happens. But I also belive that this photo is not for this site because it doesn't tell much about the world and photography. You should really consider to publish it somewhere else.
Maybe this is your work, but I'm not interested to see what do do at work, but I'm interested to see the photos of the world and your travels. How do you see that?

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• Porteplume (3078)
• [2005-11-10 7:05]
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Je ne suis pas "sanguinaire", je déteste la violence, la guerre et ceux qui font souffrir les animaux, mais cette photo ne me choque pas.
C'est la vie de tous les jours pour bon nombre d'entre nous. Cet animal a été élevé dans de bonnes conditions et il va maintenant nourrir celui qui l'a nourri.
Je me demande combien des précédents critiqueurs ont réfléchi aux conditions dans lesquelles l'animal qui a produit le morceau de porc/boeuf/poulet/dinde etc... et même votre oeuf! - dans leur assiette, a été élevé.

Je reprendrai donc les mots de Mike/mdchachi : "This photo indeed tells us something about the world. Your title indicates that the animal has been killed for food so it's no different than the pictures of dead dogs, pigs, ducks, etc that we see on TE. So I've learned that rabbits are hunted and eaten in Quebec."

* C'est la photo de Fil - with only green smileys - qui m'a poussée à donner un commentaire.

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• bboss (3512)
• [2005-12-04 20:02]
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Hmmm interesting. The photo and the the discussion has made me think, which is good, and that alone validates the photo in my opinion, and is more important that whether the photo is good or not.
As a vegetarian I find the idea of killing animals repulsive, but this is a photograph and you are not reponsible for the animals death. I find in quite amusing that most of the negative reactions you have received are from meat eater, (statistically this must be true - apologies to any veggies who have criticised it ) ie those who are responsible each day for the death of countless animals, but then feel repulsed to see a photo of the death that they cause. This is pure hypocrisy, hilarious
David

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• dmitriy55 (267)
• [2005-12-04 21:23]
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As several people have already pointed out, I disagree with the close-minded reactions of others. This photo does indeed stir a lot of emotion. I see this as one of the virtues of photography in general. As some have also pointed out, we live in the real world and the emotions associated with it are not always positive. There is no reason to sugarcoat the world. Life is life and one of the virtues of TE is illustrating it. Much like other good photos on TE, this picture illustrates nuances of this world and helps us see and learn more of it.

Please don't see this as coldhearted. I love rabbits and think they are the most adorable animals, but it is a simple reality that they are food for many people and have to die as a result. Moreover, death is simply part of this world. Even without human intervention, rabbits are eaten by predators. It's the food chain; its the circle of life. We must look at this world objectively and see it as is. It is very sad to see a rabbit die, but such is the reality of life and we must accept it.

On the technical side, this photo is very well composed. As some have pointed out, the composition is very well done and the contrast between the cuteness of the rabbit and the dark drops of blood is stunning. If I am not mistaken, the purpose of this photograph was precicely to show that and I think that the photographer accomplished the job well.

Again, it is very, very sad to see a rabbit die, but c'est la vie... :-(

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• sotirios (1491)
• [2005-12-07 7:26]
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Hi Jf
Well the truth is that i don't like your photo as a standalone,but comparing it to photos with usa entering Bagdad and all that your photo is a quality one.
The hole thought started in my mind by seeing the blood and comparing it with other much bloodier cituations.
If someone finds this offensive imagine how offensive it is for Iraqis to see the previus photos i mentioned. And don't anyone start that lies again about that usa gave freedom to that nation.
Regards Sotirios

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• dege_801s (25)
• [2005-12-07 7:48]
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" buat saya foto ini sangat tidak banyak pengaruh nya di fotografi karena meskipun banyak orang di sini bilang bahwa gaya dari foto ini sangat ke arah jurnalistik tapi sayang nya bagi saya ini adalah perbuatan yang di tujukan hanya menyatakan bahwa foto ini menerangkan ke viewer kalau foto ini tergolong bebas tapi sayang nya tidak ada sense apa apa di dalam foto ini"

Find it in your dictionary, to know exactly what i said

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• songsaboutjane (76)
• [2005-12-07 8:16]

bad shot. give a simple stress at the sight is not a good way to make photography. Please remove it out. I know that's life in a world of violence, but at least on ths website it should not be shared.

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• shel (102)
• [2005-12-09 11:16]
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There is a photo on this site that shows a woman in a third-world country trying desperately to avoid having her photo taken. She is clearly in extreme distress. The note attached to that photo basically explains that the photographer doesn't give a damn about the woman's distress. That I find obscene.
And yet, that photo attracted only 2 negative critiques, compared to this one.
What a strange world we live in.

Sheldon (shel)

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• agent032125 (0)
• [2005-12-11 9:38]
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• Domo (2)
• [2005-12-14 15:51]
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HI, I was a gamekeeper for 3 years, so this does not shock me, however putting an image like this does not do anything for game keeping as a business, it only adds fuel to the fire, more and more keepers are loosing their jobs because some folk do not understand the nature of country life, seeing images like this will not help in anyway. When I was keeping I always made sure that game, living or dead were treated with respect, I believe that some animals were put on this earth for humans to survive, this does not mean we have to parade them like trophies. As a former gamekeeper I appologise on behalf of this photographer to all the people that have been affended by this image. This should not have been posted.

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• Gerrit (25756)
• [2005-12-16 2:53]
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Hi JF,

I want to make a late tribute to this discussion because I've been through the same matter a week before you did.
I posted a picture of a dead oppossum on the 2th of october, a traffic-victim from Guatemala.
In no-time the negative reactions were there while pictures I posted before of barefooted poor people who looked for food in garbage-cans or old folks carrying huge loads of wood on their back couldn't provoke no reaction at all.
There is even a parallel between the answers you gave and mine.

Thanks for your tribute and regards, Gerrit

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• skinnykid (4)
• [2005-12-18 18:07]
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• TeresaT (10671)
• [2005-12-18 18:15]

If the point of this picture was to shoking the viewers ...you achieve your purpose...congratulations!!

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• kckuddes (267)
• [2005-12-19 17:51]
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It's a very powerful photograph and more so for people that have not grown up on a farm. When I was young we lived on a farm in Kansas where we raised rabbits for food among other animals. I have also seen a rapture which is far more brutil than a farms means of killing.

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• Matiash (128)
• [2005-12-26 13:48]
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Hi

Firstly I'd like to say that I don't like killing animals but this time I had to write this critique. As we can see there are many reactions, some positives and some negatives. Anyway THE PHOTO MUST BE GOOD because many people have different feelings and it is controversial. Those who criticized you and gave you a bad note show that this is really good!

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• keithor (47)
• [2006-01-15 14:08]
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Aside from the politics involved with this photo I think that the picture is of good composition and focused well. I think that the people who are most offended by your photo should consider what it was you said in your notes and consider the vegetarian option.

I think that this shot is not much different than some photo-journalism shots that I have seen in the past. Some photos are offensive to some and brilliant to others. I personally see no diference between a couple of drops of blood dripping from a rabbits nose and a couple of tears streaming down a womans face, because she just found out that her husband died in the tsunami. I agree with neither photo but I suppose I can see the merit in shooting both. Please tell me that those who are offended by this picture are also offended by the people screaming in a photo taken at sept. 11. All of these events are painful to watch and painful to be reminded of but I believe that pictures of dead animals should be less offensive that pictures of Human losses or Human sorrows. Bravo on such a controversial photo.
And Thank You for sharing.

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• Klapaucius (582)
• [2006-01-27 12:22]
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Fascinatingly grim image. I can't help but look closer and look more at it.

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• gelor (3112)
• [2006-01-27 13:01]
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Bonjour JF,
J'ai osé une fois proposer une photo relative aux pratiques de la chasse. Je l'ai retirée bien vite suite aux commentaires reçus. Bien que chasseur, je nourris les oiseaux de mon jardin chaque jour. Cette semaine, ils ont consommé trois kilos de graines de tournesol. Je dispose également des nids... La chasse est une activité qui protège la nature, je le soutiens. Quelques personnes irrespectueuses de l'animal ne doivent pas jeter le discrédit sur une majorité qui sait ce qu'elle fait ! Faire souffrir des animaux est complètement inadmissible et me révulse. De toute évidence, ce n'est pas ici le cas. Nourrir des lapins ou des volailles pour les consommer provoque encore ce genre de réactions bien que les conditions d'élevage et d'abattage respectent les règles que s'imposent toutes les personnes raisonnables et sensibles me semble pour le moins hypocrite (et je pèse mes mots). Faut-il imposer que nous soyons tous végétariens ? Ta photo déclenche une discussion et c'est déjà une raison pour qu'elle existe. Savoir si c'est le lieu est un autre problème. En tout cas le classement dans "moment décisif" me semble bienvenu. Ta notation devrait s'en ressentir dans l'avenir, ce n'est pas une prédiction...
Dans les images qui sont partagées je suis bien plus choqué par la condition des enfants, en particulier en Afrique. Que chacun se mobilise pour apporter un peu d'avenir à ces populations ! Ce que certains d'entre nous font à titre individuel serait bien plus efficace si nous savions nous grouper pour exiger plus d'humanisme. La bonne image, c'est très bien mais qu'elle soit utilisée pour sensibiliser est mieux encore. Mesdames et messieurs les moralisateurs, posez-vous la question de savoir quel pourcentage de votre revenu vous avez consacré à ces enfants. Tant pis si mes propos choquent.

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• elBud (2185)
• [2006-02-06 21:31]
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Hmmm... con todo el respeto que merece cada uno de ustedes, con todo el respeto que merece Jf Dion, esta imagen, sin importar lo buena que sea, sin importar los puntos que obtengas, no es muy agradable, por que es un animal, un ser vivo, realmente como dice joseelias, todos sabemos que cosas asi se ven en este mundo, pues nosotros, las personas, somos los depredadores mas grande que existen, y debemos tratar de no abusar de nuestro planeta, que facilmente lo acabamos.

Hay personas que entiendo que apoyan que la fotografia sea sin limites, y yo se que es asi, por que todos hemos visto fotografias en los diarios y en las noticias que no son agradables, pero esta pagina TREKEARTH, al parecer acepta este tipo de fotografias, pues es nuestro deber respetar que sea aceptada, me imagino que si no fuera asi, ellos la eliminarian o la hubiese eliminado, amen.

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• FORJP001 (3496)
• [2006-02-08 21:50]
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Cela fait plusiers fois que je vois paraître cette photo dans le générique de TE, et telle photo se prête si bien à la controverse que je ne peux m'empêcher, à mon tour, de mettre mon grain de sel pour Le repas!!! .

Nonobstant les pour et les contre je dois tirer mon chapeau au photographe qui, au départ, savait qu'il allait choquer et provoquer une réaction pour ou contre on s'en fiche...L'important était de provoquer une réaction et c'est très bien réussi si on compte le nombre de smiley pour et les ceuses qui sont contre.

J'ai remarqué dans le cas de cette photographie, que l'oeil veut voir ce qu'il aimerait voir et essaie par toutes sortes de façon ou de subterfuges de masquer la réalité mais il ne peut le faire alors il s'en prend à la critique et est heureux d'avoir trouvé cette échapatoire pour se défouler et jeter son dévolu au su et à la vue de tous de TE. Juste à lire tous ces critiques des plus élogieuses et on comprendra tout ou rien du tout selon que l'on est pour ou contre la publication de la photo.

Félicitaion pour avoir suscité une telle controverse et vous l'avez mérité amplement votre smiley souriant.

Jean-Pierre

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• GusTheo (80)
• [2006-02-16 21:34]
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The picture would have been better if the blood was redder.

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• DanielFilipe (94)
• [2006-02-18 18:18]
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Imagens como esta são parte deste mundo. Independentemente da fotografia destuar com a grande maioria das fotografias expostas neste site e de ser ofensiva para muitas pessoas, a censura e bem pior.

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• davicin (141)
• [2006-02-21 6:21]
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Cuanta falsedad se percibe en el ambiente. No he visto críticas a alguna foto en el mercado del pescado de Tokio, con peces destripados y rajados, ¿que es? ¿una cuestión puramente estética?
No pongo más valoración a la foto sinceramente, porque no es una foto de especial calidad, salvo por el momento o la intención. Quiza su merito es montar la que ha montado.
Podriamos prohibir las fotos de otras realidades crueles , de guerra, por ejemplo, o todas esa preciosa fotogenia de la pobreza que tan bonitas fotos nos da en la india, paises asiaticos, etc...
Y en cuanto a los objetivos de trekearth y ese supuesto ¿por que esta esto aqui?... podriamos cargar contra todas las fotos de puertas, de detalles de muros, puestas de sol...
En fín, no entiendo tanto espíritu susceptible. Creo que hay mucha hipocresía suelta... me guste la foto o no.

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• Zivko (139)
• [2006-02-23 7:09]
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I am indignant at this cruelty! How could you post it!? Igit! Scheiße!

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• capthaddock (28303)
• [2006-03-28 13:59]
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The reason this attracts so much attention is it keeps popping up on the front page every 5 minutes, so finally I'll have my say and walk away. I agree with David (bboss) here, it's not that bad and does show reality behind packaged supermarket goods. Probably the reason so many are shocked by it is the eyes look so alive, the image quality is so vivid. I don't eat rabbits, but other graphic depictions of hacked animals sold in asian markets is much more disgusting than this. I would give it 1 point if my daily allowance was not depleted.

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• flydragon (0)
• [2006-04-04 6:50]
• [3]

bon voici un commentaire presque deux ans apres,
mais je suis tombé sur cette page par hasard.
tu dis : " Ce lapin est né, a été élevé et est mort dans le respect"
moi je dirai si tu aimes et respecte tes lapins, je ne trouve pas cette photo
tres respectueuse. tu ne lui pas rendu hommage ici.
franchement je trouve ça de tres mauvais gout, pour quelqu'un qui se dit aimer
les lapins.

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• euryan (7774)
• [2006-05-05 22:42]
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I guess I'll have my say now. First of all, it was very entertaining to read some people's close-minded critiques. I find it interesting that so many people are upset over this photo. Obviously it has been reported many times as a "Violation", but Adam, with his infinite knowledge and understanding has not only chosen to keep it, but to use it on the front page. I like IaKoop's critique and am glad that it is used as an example of a good critique i.e. "Featured Critique".

As for the photo; I like the tight composition, and I think that the dripping blood helps illustrate the story of "the meal".

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• ein22 (422)
• [2006-05-08 3:27]
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Wow.

.... ummmm I really am speechless but want to say something postive towards this great photo.

The Blood lingering on the haresnose is really creepy. I mean the last glint in it's eye as it hangs there is really intense to look at. I commend you heaps with this photo.

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• olirey (193)
• [2006-05-15 9:51]
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Je suis assez d'accord. C'est une photo choc bien réalisée, pour un sujet délicat. Ca sort du sujet photographique mais j'en profite :
Je crois que l'élément important, c'est effectivement le respet. Moi aussi je préfererais être végétarien. Mais ce n'est pas facile. Alors je consomme peu de viande, mais mieux. Je mange très peu de boeuf et de porc car je suis contre la façon dont ils sont élevés. Pour les autres, je choisi des petits producteurs régionaux ou des produits biologiques. Par exemple je n'achète que des oeufs de poules élevées en aire ouverte. Je voudrais aussi choisir plus de produits équitables, comme le sucre, les bananes etc. pour ne pas faire subir mon confort de vie aux gens moins favorisés que moi.

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• haijekov (173)
• [2006-05-18 21:41]
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Truely one of the most controversial pictures i've ever seen ... really intense ... painful in a way that would make me feel like crap for an instant, hate you even for a couple of moments for taking it. i am in pain actually.
but still i have second thoughts ... u made me feel something because of this picture ... i'm not a vegetarian will probably never be one ... so the feeling's not related to your note but still that picture made me flinch. and i think that makes it a successful shot. so despite starting to write this after clicking on the NR, i'll give you two points ... but please, go easy on us here

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• WhistlingChill (8)
• [2006-05-18 22:05]
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i really had some kind of a chill when i looked at the photo...soo cruel but yet it has something that made me look at it for a second n that makes it a successful shot i guess..though i dun like the comment not really related to the feeling u get when u look at the photo ..... anyways still think that picturing the animals alive is much better .
RAN

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• david (3962)
• [2006-06-02 3:16]
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why does learning abou the world have to be tasteful?

it's ok to show cambodians living in dumps, it's ok to show people begging in the streets. why not show a dead rabbit??

as long as photos such as this serve a purpose and meaning, then it's very appropriate for trek earth.

i think people here are just too easily offended ... if you don't want to be offended, disconnect your internet and go live in the box your computer came in!

although this shot makes me squirmish, i applaud the photographer for capturing the image. i might have converted it to b&w to make it more graphically appealing.

great shot ... creating a controversy is a good thing! well done! :)

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• bliard (1116)
• [2006-06-12 11:39]
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It's a good picture. It show a reality on how people live and what you can see in Quebec in rural place. A lot of hunting here... A good picture also is one that do attract your attention. And personnaly, I've put a picture on TE that is almost the same:

http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/Europe/France/photo191336.htm

France reality... in the south, you kill to eat and you buy livestock! Not in Quebec!

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• Mostasz (33)
• [2006-06-12 12:37]
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OK Photo wish the whole ear was in the shot
I think this photo shows the harsh reality of life ,
I find it interesting that lots of people have no problem with animals that are slathered in cruel ways and sold in supermarkets
But they have a problem with a rabbit that has been shot
Nevertheless I agree it should be on TL not on TE
It could be in any country

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• CelticNomad (2)
• [2006-07-13 22:01]
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I wanted to add my 2 cents worth on this one. I am a new member and I enjoy showing the world through my eyes, as well as seeing it through others. It is important to show things the way are. In photojournalism, a photojournalist records events as they happen, and the aftermath of those events. their goal is to be unbiased ( usually) and show what THEY see. In respect to this, I congradulate this Photographer for showing an event or the aftermath of an event for what they saw in it. This is only my second critique on TrekEarth, But I have to say I am disappointed in all of the rookie views in that there is an unjustafiable ignorance of people wanting to censor something because they don't like or agree with it.
Technically speaking I would like to see the contrast bumped up a bit and and maybe you could play with the background and dodge or burn it a bit to make the rabbit stand out. Play with the negative space and see how you like it. Any chance of posting this as a workshop?

Keep shooting, even if others don't agree with you.

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• rahul__rahul__ (2250)
• [2006-07-18 16:08]

This picture has the highest number of that bad smiley that I have seen out of them all on TE! I do not really think that it is bad to show this on TE, technically well too.
Rahul

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• Graymond (177)
• [2006-07-24 23:50]

As far as the photo goes, it's a really good shot which obviously brings an emotional response to it's many viewers.

I don't see it's place on this site, considering that, I really can't see TE as an appropriate forum for this upload. Maybe on of the other Trek sites would be more appropriate.

Otherwise, a solid shot and a good capture.

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• PogoStick (488)
• [2006-07-26 19:46]
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i love it. well composed and speaks volumes. it wouldn't be nearly as effective if there were no blood present. the thoughts this image conjures up in peoples mindsd is the definition of art.

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• indoka28 (4763)
• [2006-07-27 14:41]
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Hello Opti,

Very nice photograph with a message which is acceptable or not acceptable is the bone of contention..!!!

A beautiful animal slautered for food or for fun..The main point is killing another life.I would just take this photograph of your as a piece of art as it should be taken on this site.Good clarity and good sense of timing for the photograph.

Killing another life is always considered ghastly then why the ghastlyness of the killing change with the size of animal killed..and why do it consider it gory and unethical to view the killing when we dont think twice before we slomp down a Ham or a steak..that part we eat so dearly was part of a living body.The point I see here is your boldness to show the truth and sending in a message possibly even after knowing that it will attract such kind of mixed reaction from different segment of people.

I guess we should try to inculcate some amount of humanity in ourselves and educate ourself regarding peace with each other as we kill each other for the most petty things in life.If we cant respect fellow human being then we are anyways far below animals also as they kill to eat and not for nothing.

As I told you earlier I take this pic to be a piece of art and here I am posting a workshop on the same pic from a different point of view for anybody who is upset with the pic and its presentation....I am sorry for tresspassing...I hope You like it

Regards,

Indro

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• Georges (11175)
• [2006-08-13 3:44]
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Je tombe par hazard sur cette photo postée en 2004 2 ans apres en gros et je suis surpris de la voir encore sur le site.
Comment peut on autoriser de telle images alors que d'autres interessantes sont supprimées.
Je regarde souvent le site avec ma petite fille qui a un petit lapin de compagnie et elle en a pleuré de voir une photo aussi cruelle.

Je ne condamne pas le geste du boucher qui a fait sa car cela fait partis d'un quotidien, mais le votre qui prend un malin plaisir a photographier une scene de ce type.

La prochaine fois essayer de cadrer au moins correctement si cela etait dans vos possibilités bien sur!!!!!

La 1ere fois que je met vraiment de bon coeur un vrai bonhomme vert clair et franchement m'attarder dessue cette photo est deja beaucoup.




I fall by hazard on this photograph posted in 2004 2 years after approximately and I am surprised to still see it on the site. How can one authorize of such images whereas the other interesting ones are removed. I often look at the site with my small daughter who has a small rabbit of company and it cried about it to see such a cruel photograph. I do not condemn the gesture of the butcher who made his bus that made parties of a daily newspaper, but it a your which takes malicious pleasure has to photograph a scene of this type. The next time to try to tally at least correctly if that were in your possibilities well on!!!!! The 1st time that I really good heart a true green catch clearly puts and frankly to delay me dessue this photograph is already much.

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• hizbul (169)
• [2006-08-15 3:28]
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If you pretend that you were not aware with this particularly horrified image, then IMHO, you miss your chance to deliver your massage...

NB: Can anyone translate this gentlement's note into English?

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• lukasson (131)
• [2006-08-28 15:54]
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Wow, for some enlightened "artists" alot of the people on this site are particularly narrow minded.
People saying, "this teaches me nothing, i know rabbits die and bleed..."
That's like looking at a photo of a bird and saying "I learn nothing from this photo. I know birds can fly..."

Personally, i have no idea what the note says, however, i think this is a great shot, and the death is obviously inflicted by man (either that or a very clever fox) There is a sadness in the rabbits eye, and his rich red blood dripping from his nose looks fresh and still warm.

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• limaz (400)
• [2006-09-10 9:27]
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Hi jf.
I must admidt that when I saw the small shot of this I thought "what the..". But curiosity filled me and I tried to translate as best I could your notes. And I do not understand why people feel so violated by this shot. It is a shot depicting the real issues in life. Food is a vital part of life and not every part of the globe has a major shoppingcentre where one can buy what one needs. The majority of people live on a day to day basis and I feel this shot gives a good view of that.

On a photographical note the moment captured is great and I love the fact that one can see the reflection of the photographer in the eye of the rabbit. Just that simple imagery show what happened... Mans quest for food..not a senseless killing

Best regards

Cato

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• jrzufferey (7487)
• [2006-09-10 13:56]
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Comme gelor j'ai mis une ou deux fois des images de chasse, ça ne passe pas très bien et je peux le comprendre j'en ai fait l'expérience. Mais de là à refuser d'admettre une réalité de tous les jours et de tous les consommateurs de viande il y a un cheminement à faire. La réalité de votre assiette passe par de semblable image, alors bravo à Opti s'il réussit à le faire dans le grand respect le sacrifice de l'animal. Pour la photographie... effectivement sans l'avoir vu pas de débat. Amitié à vous tous /jr

As gelor I put one or twice images of hunting, that does not pass very well and I can include/understand it I made the experiment of it. But from there to refuse to admit a reality of the every the meat day and all consumers there is a advance to make. The reality of your plate passes by similar image, then cheer with Opti if it succeeds in doing it in the large respect of the sacrifice of the animal. For photography… without to have indeed seen it not debate. Friendship with you all /jr

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• battousai (780)
• [2006-09-10 18:16]
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Argh... a real war broke up here on Trek Earth...

I won't be writing anything about this photo. Controversial or not... it is as it is.

One question... why can't I post it to workshop?! Why did you block workshop option for this photo :( ?

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• Sherrish (518)
• [2006-10-13 10:03]
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I am at a loss as to why this image repeatedly appears as featured image on Trekearth's main page. I understand this to be a sight devoted to learning about the world through photography and, whatever interesting message this photo has to convey, is has done so thoroughly many times over. The sight gets MANY wonderful photos – many excellent examples – and I believe the editors of the site could move on and give others a chance to be featured. Please?

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• Iuli (838)
• [2006-10-13 10:05]
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Indeed a very controversial shot. I'm gonna have it both ways though.
On one hand, I support you for posting this shot on TE. I think have a lot to learn about ourselves watching this photo. I found your note very much appropriate and very useful. It's good you eventually added it if you didn't do so at the time you posted it.
On the other hand, I agree with people crying foul too. But that's in part because, we shouldn't shut off someone just because we disagree with them. I agree that this image is offensive considering what we've become and I understand how repugnant it may appear to some. But that doesn't mean at all that you should remove it from this site. It does have a point, it sais something... it teaches us something we are supposed to know.

I can't stand the "I don't care" attitude that we see around us so often. We have to learn to care about the consequences of our actions. I heared so many times illogical statements like "this pig is already dead, so I'm not responsible for killing it. I'm just buying the meat. And besides that, it was raised to be killed and to become our food. This is no crime". Of course it's dead, but it has been killed because we are buying it. All sorts of industries exist because we are supporting them by being consumers. We are killing those pigs and cows and lambs and whatever else. We are holding those chicken piled up a million in a small cage. We are poisoning ourselves with all sorts of modified foods. I could go on and on like this but I'm divagating... All I mean to say is that you are perfectly right in what you state in your note, as it is at this time: let's all become vegetarians and kill only plants if we can't stand the idea of killing animals for food.
Artistically, I don't have much to say about your photo but I don't thing is missing anything considering the fight it started.
TFS
Iulian

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• Peter_rggu (193)
• [2006-10-29 7:58]
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awful idea. it is not necessary to post such pictures here.

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• kittyhawk (1664)
• [2006-11-09 13:43]
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Hello Opti,

I think you captured an image worthi of debate. I how ever think that there is nothing more natural for us humans to kill what we eat. More and more people think that meat comes from the store, and do not know how it really is produced. Since I grew up in a rural comunity hunting, fishing and farming are a natural way of life to me. I think that people should respect farmer, hunters and fishermen more, they litterally produce the food we all eat. Either we eat salad, or meat we still depend on the people who produce this. So I see this as a tribute to the circle of life, and a thank you to the animals we eat. Thank you very much for sharing this powerfull image with us.

- Halgeir

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• limule (2563)
• [2006-11-16 15:57]
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Bonsoir, la photo est reussie, techniquement et le sujet est perturbant, vu le nombres de commenatires que tu as recu... et elle est bien dans le sujet car elle concerne l activite predatrice de l homme sur la planete.... c est donc bien une decouverte du monde. Je suis chercheur et je travaille dans le domaine de la recherche contre le cancer, avec des animaux. Et j'aime les animaux, comme peut en temoigner les photos postees sur TN. Alors oui ta photo est utile, oui la question philosophique du comportement de l' homme en direction des animaux est une question importante, oui il y a des gens , dont je fais partie, qui vivent leur vie professionnelle en se posant cette question..... par ailleurs, il y a des photos sur des hommes, qui n' ont pas choisi leur sort, plus difficile a regarder que celle ci, pour moi en tout cas....

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• The_Ruller (0)
• [2006-11-16 15:57]
• [3]

This is simply HORRIBLE!
There is no reason for a so cruel shot being shown here!

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• Ioan (49)
• [2006-11-18 12:05]
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It is a very powerfull photo. Very nice contrast. Although I admit it, it's a little bit chilly, I don't agree with the one who think that this isn't a photo appropriate for TE. TE tries to show us the world through photography. The world and the life itself has also a dark side. I think photos with subject like yours are more then welcome on this site if are of good quality and have a good comment. Your photo adds a little bit of realism on TE. Regards

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• naznaz567 (192)
• [2006-11-19 16:13]
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I raise rabbits as pets.

Every so often, a hawk gets to a baby rabbit and dismembers it savagely. It is gruesome, violent, and shocking, but it is a fact of life.

Humans eat animals. It is a fact of life. Censoring this is not appropriate. Those who do not wish to look can move on.

This is a beautiful and powerful photograph, albeit disturbing.

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• rafid76 (2523)
• [2006-11-28 14:30]
• [2]

i like this image, not because im for killing animals but i think we have something common you should click on my USA images and see my hunting pics and all the negative comments i recived but they were mostly thru my email.
they eyes opening creeps me out! but well taken

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• y2kosan (31)
• [2006-11-28 21:37]
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everyone has their own point-of-view. yes i do agree, that the pix is gruesome in someway