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     thea0211 (1355) 2008-11-11 10:14

jeri,
hm
don't know what to say.
well, i still think the most fascinating thing about photography is the photographer behind the camera ;o)
... but i would lie if i'd tell you i think this will stay long here.

one word strikes me though from your entire presentation ... impersonal.
yes, a lot of the things that happen to us and the ones we are a part of including this virtual so called
existence are practically impersonal ... to some extent. or not?
no matter how evolved/educated/sensitive we think (or hope) we are, practically we are just numbers,
or just bodies (not to say the specific names)

i like to think we women are strong and week in the same time and a lot more complex even if and when we play 'simple'. is that general? i think/hope it is. do we dare to say it out loud? well, that's a different story altogether.
can i speak for everybody?
no. and i don't even want to.

... hope all is well
dora
ps: the almighty shines the light equally, we are the ones that build on earth

fkostas (444) 2008-11-11 10:41

Hi Jeri,

First I'll start with the photo: The woman is depicted as powerless, on her back, with her hands behind her. In the distance we see two men, (I presume) which somehow degrades it even more for me. It's a brilliant capture. Of course the shadow and light is great as always.

I'm frankly all for porn, (whatever passes as porn, that is) as long as all parties are willing, and treated well. I have experienced in the Corporate environment women who dress and act as "sluts", when in fact they get no more respect than a stripper, and certainly they are paid less.

It's a quandary to me. I would be tempted to go paint in a man in a hood, with a collar and leash at her feet, just for some equanimity.

Really a strong and evocative photo.

Since I have been stealing lyrics lately, I will leave you with some words from Kate Bush:

Pray God you can cope
I stand outside
This woman's work
This woman's world
Oooh, it's hard on the man
Now his part is over
Now starts the craft of the father


I know you have a little life in you yet
I konw you have a lot of strength left
I know you have a little life in you yet
I know you have a lot of strength left


I should be crying but I just can't let it show
I should be hoping but I can't stop thinking
All the things I should've said that I never said
All the things we should of done that we never did
All the things I should've given but I didn't


Oh darling make it go
Make it go away
Give me these moments back
Give them back to me
Give that little kiss
Give me your hand


I know you have a little life in you yet
I know you have a little strength left
I know you have a little life in you yet
I know you have a little strength left


I should be crying but I just can't let it show
I should be hoping but I can't stop thinking
Of all the things we should've said that were never said
All the things we should've done that we never did
All the things that you needed from me
All the things that you wanted for me
All the things I should of given but I didn't
Oh darling make it go away
Just make it go away now



Written by K Bush



Farah

mikeo (12117) 2008-11-11 13:54

Hello dear Jeri,

You are absolutely a master in your notes...This one here completely change the way of looking at this photo...If not your note it would probably be a shot, just a shot of grafitti somewhere in the street...Maybe attantion would be paid to this incredible light here...maybe to this strong colour of this 'painting'...maybe to this place...but you made people paid attention to this woman...Do I feel offended? Maybe a little bit...maybe 'cause the way it was painted...so sloppy...and maybe mostly by position of this woman...but of course there are many more different situation what I feel offended...but it's a looong topic for another discussions;)))

Good job Jeri!!!
Greetings,
Mikeo

clio (23413) 2008-11-11 15:43

Bonjour Jeri,
Thank you for this shout.
I am of a generation which fought and showed against this image of the woman object reduced to a vagina.
Your image shocks me because I would have any more wanted not to see it.
It shocks me because you want to shock us and you are right. It is hard, it is as the woman who would be violated in this sinister concrete universe.
We have some more a lot of work to do!
Good cheer for all women!
Amicalement
Diane

bostankorkulugu (34168) 2008-11-12 0:27

the light and shadows were on your side jeri... a very well seen and composed image i think... it has the mood that makes me think that the guys walking ahead raped someone alnd left behind... so symbolic, so cool...

pavseljn (75) 2008-11-12 3:51

Hoj Jeri,
ja spet čist huda fotka! Ni kej, si mojster kompozicje in svetlobe. Ful mi je všeč kako znaš izkoristit vsako vrsto osvetlitve da fotka dobi svojo čustveno noto, kakršnakoli že je, pozitivna, negativna, ali pa "zgolj" dramatična.
Glede ofenzivnosti grafita... Nedvomno je ofenziven, neestetski, skrajno butast, banalen, pa še celo vrsto pridevnikov bi lahko našla. Svoboda mišljenja, izražanja in seksualna revolucija so na žalost prinesle tudi taka skropucala. Se strinjam s tabo, najbolj žalostno je, da vzamejo prostor neki mladostni nedolžnosti (tole je mogoče malo cerkveno izzvenelo, pa niti slučajno ni bilo tako mišljeno! :)). Ampak, če že govorimo o dojemanju vrednosti ženske v družbi, imam rajši take, direktne izpade, ki so preprosto tako na nizkem nivoju da je boj proti njim pravzaprav lahek, kot pa množico drugih, mnogo bolj subtilnih in prefinjenih sporočil, ki žensko postavljajo na "svoje mesto", in ki jih ljudje niti ne prepoznajo kot škodljive, zato jih podzavestno vzamejo za svoje. Tudi tu bi lahko naštevala, ampak meni osebno se zmeša ko na TV vidim katero od neštetih reklam, v katerih neka skrajno butasto predstavljena ženska pere, puca, kuha pa spet puca... pa ji ne gre in ne gre,... "flek je še kar tam, moj mož bo razočaran nad mano...", nakar z neba pade nek moški in ji prinese čudežno čistilo oziroma potrebščino, s pomočjo katere bo zdaj lahko izpolnila svoje žensko poslanstvo... servilnost in neka kvazi skrb za svoje bližnje. Ženska ni narejena za razmišljanje, za to so tu moški, in ona je lahko samo hvaležna da so si vzeli čas in pogruntali čudežno čistilo, zato da ona zdaj lahko puca, puca...
Hehe, sem se razpisala :) Tale fotka je odprla temo o kateri je bilo že dosti napisanega, pa še vedno ne dovolj...
Pa če pustim to ob strani... Huda fotka!
Pozdravček,
Nataša

danos (33680) 2008-11-12 7:23

Hello Jeri,
i don't mind if the graffiti is an offensive one but i impressed that you were there in the most decisive moment to shot it with the light to bring out the details and finally to see the 'vulgar'.Your thoughts are informative too.Well done.

Have a nice afternoon,Danos

polpo56 (8158) 2008-11-13 14:39

Ciao Jeri,
I don't feel offended by this image... Certainly your picture is very strong, a provocation... I have seen many discussions about this shot, all very intresting... your merit.
You showed a picture in picture, well managed, with a stron light which obliges us to see the woman...
The picture isn't offensive. I feel offended by people who not respects other people.
Compliments for the nice idea.
A kiss
Ludo

Leilani (1371) 2008-11-13 16:31

I think this is a great statement. I've read your replies too..and by god I agree. this graffiti is at the same time beautiful as it is degrading. Our interpretations, each and every one of us will be different. What did the artist want to state? Was it worship of the female form or was it degrading? Only our own personal knowledge will decide that for us. Well done Jeri. At the end of the day it's about thoughts and interpretations, not just re-presentation.

Vasa (6589) 2008-11-15 4:23

Draga Jerice,

kao u pozorištu, svetlost pada tamo gde treba. Pošto prirodna svetlost nikada ne ostaje na istom mestu, ti si naišla u pravom trenutku. Ili si tu čekala pad dok ne dođe..

Smišljeno, inteligentno, duhovito, zanimljivo, ciljano, provokativno, tehnički doterano i lepo pozdravljeno. Nikon je bio samo alat, a svi komplimenti i topli pozdravi pripadaju tebi.

Hvala ti za ovu briljantnu tematsku fotografiju. Oformio sam ličnu kolekciju grafita iz sveta, a ovaj uzorak je pravi biser. U Beogradu ne propuštam priliku da snimam grafite. Samo jednom sam "uhvatio" autore na delu. Ima zbilja pravih majstora.

Uživaj Jerice u jeseni. Ona je uvek prilika za fotografe. Puno te pozdravljam,

Branko

PS. Notu sam pročitao sa pažnjom i kao pouku. I ja glasam za pristojnost i fer odnose...Mislio sam da sam preopširan, međutim naknadno sam pogledao reagovanje Planete. Prava bura u moru.

degani (2876) 2008-11-16 10:10

hi Jeri,
I like very much this picture for the great light and the beautiful composition, I also like the meaning you give to it and the nice note, I think I understand even if I am a man, brava Jeri, as always
kind regards
franco

meltemi (9746) 2008-11-16 22:47

Hello Jeri,
it is a picture that makes the blood boil. We tend to show only beautiful things on this site, but a big part of the world and of the human mind is ugly. And I believe that it's from the bad things we can learn the most. That's what I like in your work. You show the most important element, the people and their connections with our society.
As a photo is flawless. Thank you for your smart eye and words.
All the best.
Stella

Photograph2u (604) 2008-11-17 6:37

Hello Jeri, this is the first time I see a nude like this one as a grafitti.
You captured it perfectly with the light spot on it and the rest in the shade.
Very well done.
Yan

Nicou (46171) 2008-11-18 0:49

Hello,

Quelle iamge, de toute beauté, ces élément artistisque qui ressort de cet ombre, se beau rouge, avec l'effet guillotine,, vraiment un très très belle cherchere.

Bravo et amitié

Nicou

litiancai (1046) 2008-11-18 23:35

Hi Jeri,
I don't think I've ever seen a photo posted on here with so many detailed comments! I think enough has been said though, and more eloquently than I could put it, so I'll just comment on the photo as a photo:

I think your chosen composition showing us the location of the graffiti on a main walkway is great, and the light, well, like you say "a dark sense of humour from the gods of light". I couldn't put it better myself. Really, striking, and well worth posting
Regards
Lee

Manamo (3474) 2008-11-19 6:08

Hello Jorgi,

I think there are many possible interpretations of this photo/drawing on the wall. It could depend on your gender, age, where you're from, your experiences...You could have a lightier reading if for example you see it as "only" art...or if you put it into context (maybe this is a neighborhood with prostitution...-just examples...)...hard to tell what the artist had in mind...But I think, it's all about the reading of it. I also think that if you feel truly emancipated as a woman and think the condition of the woman in (not only western) civilization is just as good as the one of the man (which I sincerely think it is where I live), you cannot be deeply offended by this...

However, I read it a different way (of course, I'm a man, coming from a different place, etc...), a way that touches me more. Me it's the raw nakedness...There is nothing wrong about a naked woman (or man for that matter), but it's the omnipresence of it that disturbs me somehow (ads, porn, movies, magazines, etc...). It sorts of changes the way the population see life and even sexuality... and this is especially true for young kids (that's what actually disturbs me...because adults are adults, but kids are still only kids) who are more innocent, discovering life and who think that this is the standard. And that's how society will take a step back. All this emancipation you girls fought for and obtained in certain degrees, you are losing it because of this kind of image where the woman is truly just a body (or even just a vagina) that's projected into the kids minds...I don't know, I'm just thinking out loud I guess.


the light shining on the woman, on her back is just perfect...perfect moment. A very good photographer of this site (Luko) once said that when you'Ve found an interesting place. a place where you know things will happen, you just wait there, with your camera ready. Wait til something happens. Here, with this light and this drawing, I'd have been tempted to wait until a woman with a strong character passes by and cast a strong shadow on the subject...Maybe with a more in your face approach (facing, with a slight angle). SInce the light is coming from just a small angle on the right you could just place yourself a bit left of the drawing and wait until the sbject passes by and cast the shadow (she would not hide the drawing because she'd have to be right of the drawing to cast the shadow). I'm probably very silly to think about such a scenario, but that would be my approach with this subject.

ok, enough said for now:) we could go on and on around a drink or 2 i guess.

Best regards,

Marc

Charo (32126) 2008-11-19 14:01

Hola Jeri,
Una luz muy oportuna iluminando el graffity cuyo autor no se destaca precisamente por el buen gusto. Pero no se trata de criticar el dibujo sino de alabar tu buen tiro y excelente composición.
Saludos cordiales,
Charo

nasokoun (0) 2008-11-23 2:52

hello Jeri
exceptional glance, art through the art
warm regards
Nasos

g_panakia (4004) 2008-11-25 7:35

hi jeri again
interesting shot...interesting note!
i read some of the comments, it's unbelievable but at the same time magic the fact that a photo (followed by a note) was the "spark" for an open discussion where different views were expressed...congratulations for this inspired composition and the way you presented as a concept!
georgia

Benedict (7062) 2008-11-27 18:49

probably yes, probably no. it all depends upon each viewers' interpretations. i like how you keep the nude image in color and the rest in BW.
Benedict

sinanevman (149) 2008-12-01 13:47

Hi again,
You know, 2-3 days ago i start to write you a critique for this marvellous picture. I start in English, i continued in French and i finished with Turkish... I wrote, i deleted... again and again... and i spent almost 1 hour. I noticed that i couldn't express my feelings in the right way!
And you know the bad new; still the same here!
For the time being, i just wanted to let you know that:
1. The picture and the poem together are invaluable to me.
2. I'll write you more meaningful things on it whenever i could (by editing this one)
A very real "thank you" for sharing it.
Sinan

NickPavlakis (492) 2008-12-12 3:01

Hi Jeri, offended? No. There are many other things to be offended by in real world, this is the least of them. Vulgar, ehm... no. There's nothing wrong with the human body, except that it bears a human mind!. This is called freedom of choice, I don't mind it being there, for a slight second it could just make me spring a smile. I will not be tempted to thing of the woman's position in today's world. If I could think of something to say here, this would be that people (both men and women included) have "evolved" and brought to themselves the situation in which they live. "Marks of our time", when sex (among other things) is free and underaged. That would hurt and annoy me, not the image.
Technically, this is almost flawless ("almost" is a matter of opinion). Many dark areas, I would prefer a tighter cropping, and darken even more the remaining shadows.
Good photo, I hope it stays long!
Nikos

jone (3229) 2009-01-15 1:34 [Comment]