Rome, still very near the Piazza dei Fiori for those who know Rome...
All over Europe, since 1989, fall of the iron curtain, floods of roumanian gypsies have come into Western Europe. Since then, one can see lots of beggars at traffic lights, metro lines and streets of heavy pedestrian traffic... they are usually trying to indulge some compassion from you adopting a very inferior and, IMO, unbearable posture and attitude like this one, which is supposed to affect you morally and help you get rid off some euros... this woman is not watching the people passing by in a submission attitude and has a little poster with her saying 4 kids, nothing to eat, no job... Lots of Tv and press reports have revealed the existence of real begging networks, close to prostitution and drug dealing networks... How can we help those people? big question, and i have not got the clue... sorry for those serious and somewhat harsh thoughts this morning.. have a nice pentecoast week end...;-)
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olli (2091) 2004-05-28 3:26
Very effective shot, Eric.
The position of her head is very "begging". The poster is an important addition making this shot even more sad... I like how the color of her clothes works with the color of the wall. I also like the combination of red cup and the red piece of poster on the wall.
I would crop out the yellow "thing" from the right.
manny (21833) 2004-05-28 3:28
Her bowed head speaks volumes. I like the way the hints of colors appear here and there. It creates an impression of hope. Once again, you've spotted a good subject.
maciekda (19895) 2004-05-28 3:30
hi Eric, it is a very good picture, very well composed and so real, the pose of the woman is really touching, the way we see her face... one small flaw - white things are blown out... anyway, very good stuff
jhonny_blue (4956) 2004-05-28 4:23
Wonderful picture, but it´s a scene very sad...
Congratulations for your catch.
merpb (2001) 2004-05-28 4:47
Had to take time out to comment on this one Eric, as it is a very poignant and powerful image.
Her submissive posture is rarely captured in photographs and says it all.
My attitude to beggars midst all the rumors of organized gangs etc is quite simple, I have no right to judge who is worthy and who is not so they all get treated the same, if I have money they get it if I don't I can't help.
It Costs me a fortune every time I go to London but what the H, it's only money.
Superb shot again.
Luko (14000) 2004-05-28 4:48
For many reasons, I don't quite like portraits of beggars or sad scenes shots, because it's too often a one way communication and unilateral benefit to the photographer. Of course some images may bring some hope or shed a specific light on the situation, but it's mostly after having understood the human behind the beggar.
Personally, I've come to the end where I don't shoot beggars I haven't been socializing with, should it be the most interesting photo composition ever.
Yet I find in your image that her bowed position is a bit awkward making the shot sounding even more like a stolen shot, or as you say morally deceptive, which brings me back to my own no-no photo situation.
In order to solve the two latter points I would then suggest to crop your shot so that we only see her hands and the cardboard behind.
Kenny10pin (19301) 2004-05-28 11:12
great work here, you have her head dipped, with her note in the background, really good framing and also subject, the note is good too.
Darren (6823) 2004-05-28 11:23
Hi Eric. This is a very nice photo. Excellent composition and although a common scene, this is a very difficult subject for many to photograph. You have done very well here I think.
Two thoughts here, both kind of technical.
First, I see you shot this at f/1.8. I know you love the soft bokeh from shooting open when at all possible, but as this shot has details in the background which are important to the context, I think f/4 or even narrower would have worked just as well, and possibly given you a sharper photo.
Second, you have used a polarizing filter, yet your shutter speed is very high, suggesting higher ISO. Personally, I almost never use a polarizer, unless shooting flowers/foliage/sky. I don't really think a polarizer would help a shot like this, but it does rob you of shutter speed, or necessitate higher ISOs. My feeling is that the polarizer should stay in the bag unless the situation specifically calls for it.
Having said all of this, these are not really faults in the photo in any way, shape or form, just my thoughts on general usage.
This is a very good photo Eric.
jrzufferey (7301) 2004-05-28 12:25
Une bien belle photographie pour nous montrer une scène
bien difficile de la vie, être contraint par la vie à devoir mendier. Merci pour ta photo elle est poignante. Amicalement/jr
Rinie_Hoff (9340) 2004-05-28 19:57
Hi Eric, great picture, and I like your notes. shows your compassion. i always feel a little bit unieasy with scenes like this, especially in real life. It always reminds me of my own wealth, and how dishonest it is all shared.
omritoppol (826) 2004-05-29 5:17
Indeed serious questions, and the fact that a relation to networks might be at hand makes it harder (if possible). You did a good job in documenting this woman's begging approach and the whole feeling one have when faced with such beggars (which to my opinion is the hardest to see). I was waiting for this post from you. Well seen & captured Eric
pridel (233) 2004-06-03 17:57
c'est difficile de faire une photo comme celle ci (sujet délicat). techniquement je ne sais pas trop, mais j'ai lu ce que a écrit Darren. par contre la décharche émotive est bien là.
sohrab (7439) 2004-06-06 8:18
you managed tp preserve her dignity
flydragon (0) 2004-11-07 16:43
une image bien triste
toujours difficile de voir
des gens dans cette position
mais respect pour elle, je dis
que cette image est tres belle
j'aime le cadrage ici
le gris et ce rapp. de rouge
une image sensible prise avec respect
christina (2040) 2004-11-20 18:41
This image is very well done and unfortunatelt way too common all around the world. It is unfortunate that it is hard to distinguish between those who are in true need and those who are part of a whole system.
Regardless of this, the image is well composed and beautifully done.
marian (2) 2005-06-30 8:56
where is write this woman is romanian gipsy?
Sorry,man,but i dont like this attitude!I am romanian and I am offense.It is exploatation of poor woman I dont see not emotion artistique in this photo.Sorry!
- Copyright: Eric LE PARC (eleparc) (24063)
- Genre: People
- Medium: Color
- Date Taken: 2004-05-21
- Categories: Daily Life
- Camera: Nikon D70, Nikon AF 50mm f/1.8D, Polarizer
- Exposure: f/1.8, 1/400 seconds
- Photo Version: Original Version
- Date Submitted: 2004-05-28 3:14
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