Here another shot of Melissani Lake, on Kefalonia.
Break The Rules ? Why ? Well I didn't like that big overexposed sky section in this image, which appeared at most shots I took there, unfortunatly. But I break the 'rule' to still upload it. Because I like the rest, especially the light entering this cave, changing the water's colour to turquoise. Beautiful when you see it for real!
I also like the people in the boat closeby, I think they have nice light on them, and the plant on the left side.
Maybe the overexposed area bothers, but I think sometimes you got to take it as it comes.
Maybe you could give some advice on how I could prevent this from happening in a dark cave such as this. But in this case with strong light from the sun entering from the roof @ 2 PM.
HDR and/or DRI would have done a great thing here..I think ?? isn't it? I'm not familiair with those techniques though.
Photo Info (no exif due to 'save for web'in PS):
21mm, F5.6, 1/80, +0.7 EV, ISO 200, Pattern metering.
Should I have used other settings? I didn't not really know what to do in this situation, but due to the direct light I'd put +0.7EV.
Info about the location can be found here
The POV for this shot, is actually from ~about~ the yellow boat in the distance in the shot @ that link.
[PP in CS2] jpeg :
Started with Rotate (yes it's still not completely straigth, but wanted to maintain some things in the frame)
* Brightness -1
* Contrast +7
* Bit more saturation
* USM 71%, 0,3px, 1 lvl
* Border + 'Save for web' to maintain as much detail as possible!
Hope you like it!
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pboehringer (770) 2006-10-30 22:49
Emiel, I think you're making it to hard on yourself. This post is really very good and the detail of the sky is not the most important detail in this photography. The incoming rays, the water and the boats (one in the light and the other in the shade of the fg). To manage the light conditions is very difficult here and a HDR tecnique might have been the solution, but I'm not familiar with this technique either.
Best Regards, Peter
bostankorkulugu (42046) 2006-10-30 23:40
This one is superb emiel and the hole up there gives some kinda relief against clostrophobia :) The colour of the water, the people on the boats esp. the enlightened ones, the plants in the cave and out, they all make a great composition together with the texture of the walls...lots of details to explore and as i said i have no objection for the white hole...congrats
ktanska (24758) 2006-10-31 2:25
Lovely place, good ambience and nice colours.
About the sky. As there's both black and white areas in the image it seems that dynamic range of a single shot just isn't enough. Polarizer help if the sky is clear and works best in the sidelight. I don't know if you used the widest angle of your zoom. That of course minimizes the size of the sky opening.
sebcz (2345) 2006-10-31 6:22
Yes, I think HDR operations (or 'forced' exposure on RAW) would do good in here. You should learn that technique, it does wonders, I'm playing with that.
As for the rest of the photo - it truly IS nice in colours.
Paolo (41222) 2006-10-31 9:07
Hi Emiel, amazing view of a fantastic lake, that seems one of the lake/cave of Yucatan!
good colours and excellent POV and note.
dcawker (5717) 2006-10-31 9:48
Really excellent perspective and contrast here as well. Regards, Doug
Davidwh (3662) 2006-10-31 10:19
I agree with your choice to upload the image.You don't always have to go by what is technically correct.The content most certainly makes up for it.The ray of light entering the cave is very attractive, illuminating the characters on the boat and the water.Nicely composed and good detail and clarity.
mphotographies (1976) 2006-10-31 22:31
You have managed to come up with a strong visual image, played and controlled over how the final image will look. Though it's not overweighed by the external factors like the 'overexposed' crater that did a lot of light showing the turquoise surface of the water and at the same time lighting your subject very well.
You could have lighted the same thing in so many different ways but it's different every time. Here the situation challenged you to take the shot and you did it very well. You did a good light metering for the entire scene.
All the best dude!
shirgold (2481) 2006-11-02 14:11
I can easily see the problem you faced here. I have visited the place a year ago and can fully appreciate this successful capture!
I consider it successful since you have managed to use the wide angle wisely bringing all important details into the image. Exposure is tricky but again – the sky is the least important part of this image.
As for HDR, you must take several images from a tripod – all with the same aperture and different exposures – ranging from well under-exposed to well over-exposed. There are few softwares you can use but Photoshop makes life easy in this case.
From the menu select “File->Automate->Merge to HDR” then select your images and play with the options….
TFS! - Shir
Aprilchen (24) 2006-11-03 14:33
just great ... nothing more to say...
my teacher always told me that you have to break rules,and you see - the result is really great
AdrianW (2274) 2006-11-03 14:35
Very nice shot Emiel! I think you were right to ignore conventional wisdom on the sky - with HDR you would get more detail there, but you may find it looks a bit unnatural if you're not careful.
I really like the way the light beams in - but it's the amazing colour of the water that immediately draws my eye, unfortunately there's not much of it in the frame in this composition. I think perhaps what I'd have attemped was a vertical shot, with the whole oval of the opening in frame - which would give us a bit more water too. Although I do like the way the walls appear to close in here!
Static subjects are best. Getting a proper alignment on moving objects is tricky... Water ripple reflections are usually OK, but moving people might be frustrating ;)
I shoot RAW in continuous-advance, and I usually AE-bracket at -2.5EV, -0.5EV, +1.5EV. Two stops between RAW images is best. You may need more images in really strong lighting conditions - remember to check the histograms for clipping, and shoot more if required.
Focus and aperture must be locked, so shoot in MF and Aperture Priority if you can. If you don't you'll probably end up with a slightly solarized effect in places and patchy softness too. With a small sensor compact you may get away with it, as DOF is usually much wider - but the drawback is that the dynamic range of most compacts is much narrower.
Tripod isn't actually necessary, but it helps. If you shot your set handheld you'll need to use something like PTgui (i.e. a panorama stitcher that supports "identical stitching") to align the images - in which case you'll need to convert to 16bit TIFF to align them, and you'll then need to merge them in TIFF too.
Finally I generate the HDR image (RAW if tripod, 16bit TIFF if handheld) in Photomatix, then apply ToneMapping in to the resultant HDRI in Photomatix.
I usually load the final result as 16bit TIFF in Photoshop for final touches (sharpening/resize/etc). Whilst you can do the HDR merge in Photoshop - CS2 is very slow at handling HDR files, particularly when compared to Photomatix...
colinbrenchley (6431) 2006-11-05 4:33
It is the shaft of light that makes this image what it is. The light striking the one boat in the centre of the water also balances the composition.
robertosalguero (246) 2006-11-13 23:52
Beautiful lake surrounded by cliffs. I like the color of the water and sunlight coming through the hole. Good perspective of the boats in the water. A nice picture showing some good definition and colors. Cheers from Calgary Emiel.
spyros60 (150) 2007-02-02 13:12
Hi Emiel this a great shot.
I like this composition, the sunbeam also!
azordq (0) 2007-02-11 5:15
I agree completely with you! Let's break the rules in the name of the beauty of Nature!
Also because who has done that rule that overexposed is bad? I think that people should stop to look at the rigid rules to look at the feeling that every image has inside and gives to our souls!
So I propose a new rule:
- The picture gets into my soul: O.K.
- The picture says nothing to my soul: BAD
Hellas (6813) 2007-03-05 8:25
this photo is excactly what everyone see when visit that lake.
This is wonderful and real.
My mother-in-law comes from Kefalinia and I know the place.
Have a nice week,
labro33 (2807) 2007-05-19 3:23
Hi Emiel again,
Nice subject superb composition.I agree with your quandary but your choice to upload i think is fine.I like a lot the ray of the light over the boat,its very interesting.
Thanks foe sharing,
P.s Are you happy with your Pentax?
If you have some free time e-mail me about it.
Thanks a lot...
Balrog (102) 2007-08-04 5:56
Wow very interesting and beautiful place. Really lovely colours inside the cave. I love the difference in light between the light and shade inside the cave.
steliosk (4802) 2007-10-11 17:17
This one is great, the light coming from above makes the whole scene interesting, not forget to mention that the whole landscape is magnificent :)
- Copyright: Emiel Hillege (Emiel_Skyfreak) (3002)
- Genre: Places
- Medium: Color
- Date Taken: 2006-08-25
- Categories: Nature, Transportation
- Camera: Pentax K100D, Sigma 17-70mm F2.8-4.5 DC Macro, Transcend 2GB 150xSD, Sigma 72 mm MC UV Filter
- Exposure: f/5.6, 1/80 seconds
- Map: view
- Photo Version: Original Version
- Theme(s): Greece - The most famous sites, Your Favorite Shots [view contributor(s)]
- Date Submitted: 2006-10-30 19:42
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