Photographer’s Note
... one of the longest, most cruel and most destructive wars of European history, the Thirty Year's War, was ended in this hall. The war was fought primarily (though not exclusively) in Germany and at various points involved most of the countries of Europe. Initially the war was fought largely as a religious conflict between Protestants and Catholics in the Holy Roman Empire, although disputes over the internal politics and balance of power within the Empire played a significant part. A major impact of the Thirty Years' War was the extensive destruction of entire regions, denuded by the foraging armies. Episodes of famine and disease significantly decreased the populace of the German states and the Low Countries and Italy, while bankrupting most of the combatant powers. The problems were made more difficult still by the ad hoc nature of 17th century military financing. Armies were expected to be largely self-funding from loot taken or tribute extorted from the settlements where they operated. This encouraged a form of lawlessness that imposed often severe hardship on inhabitants of the occupied territory.
The Thirty Years' War was ended with the treaties of Osnabrück and Münster, part of the wider "Peace of Westphalia". The Peace of Westphalia resulted from the first modern diplomatic congress and initiated a new order in central Europe based on the concept of state sovereignty - under a sovereign. By this treaty for example Netherlands and Switzerland came into existence as independent states.
It's interesting - and somehow embarassing - that at the beginning of the negotiations both sides e.g. argued for years about dress code or the forms of adress while the war with all its cruelties continued until the peace treaty.
You can see an important part of the negotiation process HERE. The painting shows the Spanish and Dutch ambassadors attesting the "Peace of Münster" in this room, the council chamber of Münster's town hall. My photo was taken here yesterday. There also has been a "Peace of Osnabrück", another town in northern Germany, the venue of the Protestant ambassadors (in Münster the Catholic ambassadors met). The last and final peace treaty was signed in Münster on October 24th, 1648 - yesterday 361 years ago ...
You can read more about this most important treaty of peace which changed the map of Europe dramatically HERE.
In workshop you can see a part of this council chamber of Münster and the city hall from the outside.
mortijo, papagolf21, chinchini, ellelloo, Budapestman, mvdisco, mikeyt has marked this note useful
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mortijo
(12210) 2009-10-25 1:11
Guten Morgen FRank,
Schwer zu fotografieren bei diese Überbevölkerung. Aber du hast dich mutig durch diese Menschenmenge geschlagen um uns ein extra Bild in der ws anzubieten. Dafür, und für die hervorragende Note, herzlichen Dank.
Grüsse aus ein sonniges Luxemburg
John
papagolf21
(56305) 2009-10-25 1:47
Bonjour, cher ami Frank,
Trois photographies étonnantes de beauté. J'admire le savoir-faire de nos anciens (architectes, ébénistes, ...)
Quelle splendeur !
Il suffit d'observer les touristes admiratifs pour comprendre la joliesse de l'ensemble.
Magnifique.
Amitiés.
Philippe
Nicou
(44719) 2009-10-25 3:32
Hello mon voisin,
Sueprbe image, quelle salle tout en bois, une merveille, le gros luste, en tout cas les personnage on l'air d'apprécier la visite, comme nous la superbe image, merci.
passe un bon dimanche
Nicou
chinchini
(27557) 2009-10-25 4:27
Bonjour Frank,
Tu as écrit une belle page d'histoire sur ton pays. Je ne connaissais pas du tout ces faits. Merci. L'image est de circonstance, prise de vue opportune.
Mes amitiés de Calvi chaud et beau !
Pierre
P.S. Je t'ai envoyé un lien pour voir des champignons mais ton fournisseur le refuse. Regarde dans tes spams, peut-être le retrouvras-tu ?
ellelloo
(4757) 2009-10-25 5:09
Hallo Frank,
An important place in the history of your country and the history of the whole Europe. I take it was difficult to find a moment, when visitors would not block part of the walls. But one can however see some of the rich ornamentation, the impressive roof construction and also the candelabrum, the same one which is shown in the painting perhaps? Thanks for the WS photos too and especially for your excellent note. A wonderful TE contribution!
Greetings from still rainy Espoo,
Lasse
saxo042
(15592) 2009-10-25 7:20
Hi Frank,
Really an important part of both German and Swedish history, as this war also engaged Sweden. A very interesting picture where living people play the most important role. A very good note too!
Kind regards
Gunnar
Budapestman
(41790) 2009-10-25 7:45
Hi Frank,
a splendid shot of this historical place, the composition is attractive, the light control is very good, I like the nice details and the POV, beautiful interior photo with superb note. Tfs! Have a nice Sunday!
George
edge
(458) 2009-10-25 15:49
Hello Frank, Very nicely done. Not sure I can handhold my camera at 1/60th of a second, albeit three of my five lenses do have IS. I like the picture, but I was most impressed at the note you have included. As a bit of an historian I have followed the Hapsburgs and Hohenzollerns to some extent. I assume these were tourists getting their shots in.
wolf38
(12719) 2009-10-26 6:28
Hallo Frank. Das Photo ist interessant, weil es einen Zeitbezug herstellt. Heute ist es kaum mehr vorstellbar, dass ein Krieg solange dauern kann. Im Schloss Wilhelmshöhe in Kassel kann ich ein Gemälde bewundern, welches das Ende dieses Krieges zeigt. Der westfälische Friede ist ein wichtiger Meilenstein dieser europäischen Epoche. Wenn man das Photo sieht, denkt man erneut an die vielen kriegerischen Auseinandersetzungen in der Vergangenheit und auch derzeit. Viele Grüße, wolfgang.
mvdisco
(11486) 2009-10-27 7:42
Bonjour Frank,
Belle présentation et composition de cette salle aux magnifiques boiseries, quelle richesse...belle note et détails sur le sujet et un excellent cliché..
toutes mes salutations..
Michel ( temps gris et couvert ..Temp..ext. +2 celcius..
Photo Information
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Copyright: Frank Kaiser (Buin)
(37572) - Genre: Places
- Medium: Color
- Date Taken: 2009-10-24
- Categories: Decisive Moment
- Camera: Canon EOS 400 D, 18-55mm f3.5-5.6 II
- Exposure: f/4, 1/60 seconds
- More Photo Info: view
- Map: view
- Photo Version: Original Version, Workshop
- Date Submitted: 2009-10-25 0:57








