The river here (Arpašay River) is the international border between Turkey and Armenia. All of the land at right is Armenian. At left is Turkey. Taken within the historic Armenian city of Ani, the former Armenian capital, which used to house 100,000 people before the Mongol invasions of 1239. The subsequent invasions by Russia & Turkey squabbling over ownership of this section of the Caucasus, and the Armenian genocide in the early 20th century, (which the Turkish Government flatly refuses to even discuss), have ensured this city remains a ghost town, visited only by tourists and wandering cows. Relations between Armenia & Turkey remain very frosty, and the border here remains closed indefinitely.
Good information on Ani here: http://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/5725/
And from Wiki on the 1915 genocide:
"The Armenian Genocide (Armenian: Հայոց Ցեղասպանություն, [hɑˈjɔtsʰ tsʰɛʁɑspɑnuˈtʰjun]), also known as the Armenian Holocaust, the Armenian Massacres and, traditionally among Armenians, as the Great Crime (Armenian: Մեծ Եղեռն, [mɛts jɛˈʁɛrn]; English transliteration: Medz Yeghern [Medz/Great + Yeghern/Crime]) was the Ottoman government's systematic extermination of its minority Armenian subjects from their historic homeland in the territory constituting the present-day Republic of Turkey. It took place during and after World War I and was implemented in two phases: the wholesale killing of the able-bodied male population through massacre and forced labor, and the deportation of women, children, the elderly and infirm on death marches to the Syrian Desert. The total number of people killed as a result has been estimated at between 1 and 1.5 million."
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snunney (89108) 2013-06-27 4:57
Very good point of view on this ruined bridge. I like the way the river wends it way through the frame from bottom right to top left. A nicely lit image with good colours and sharpness.
timecapturer (49288) 2013-06-27 5:06
an atmospheric and evocative shot this. It looks like beautiful countryside and saddening when you realise the history and symbolism here in this thought provoking image.
Regards - Brian.
Sergiom (66377) 2013-06-27 5:26
De la hauteur ou tu te trouves on pourrait presque penser que le cours d'eau pourrait se sauter Ó pied. Ce vieux pont a connu des jours meilleurs mais par contre, il offre un superbe point focal.
dta (71021) 2013-06-27 5:39
hello Chris ,
This is a splendid view of this old bridge in ruins in this beautiful gorge . It would have been better if youhad corrected the exposure . The corner on the left is overexposed .
fabbs99 (16815) 2013-06-27 5:56
Welcome back ! The broken bridge is witness to some bad part of history.We have Armenian refugees living in India also and in Calcutta we have an Armenian college as well as an Armenian Church.The Armenian boys used to have one of the best Rugby teams in Calcutta.But now the population is dwindling as many are migrating to the West.As a matter of fact one of my childhood friends used to be an Armenian boy who was the goalkeeper of our soccer team.Good shot of the river that divides Turkey and Armenia.TFS.
ikeharel (62173) 2013-06-27 8:48
The river as a natural border between the two countries, Chris, and the destroyed bridge as a silent evidence to the men-made conflict over there.
History has many example like this, and your photo is a fine document of a place that is remote and not so toured.
That's TE mission par-excellence.
My cong.'s for the mission and good picture from.
ourania (35916) 2013-06-27 10:02
you visited a very interesting place charged with painful history and a huge "why?" Your note is heartbreaking and the point of view of your picture as well as the way you managed the colours create a sense of drama too. The strong shadows scattered on the right hand bank are very attractive, the textures are fascinating. Congratulations and thank you!
All the best, have a lovely evening,
rychem (27566) 2013-06-27 10:09
It is a sad border, in reality and in the minds of people, great photo with diagonal line of the river and the old bridge
Miguel82 (26546) 2013-06-27 10:38
Happy to see you around again Chris,
Useful comment it explains a little bit why the bridge is broken
Beautiful canyon and place to hike, good light and colors
pierrefonds (59850) 2013-06-27 18:19
The length of the river is giving depth to the composition. The point of view is showing the details and colours of the ruins of the bridge. The good luminosity is enhancing the colours. Have a nice day.
Graal (99830) 2013-06-27 23:49
amazing view of old abandoned ruins of bridge. Good POV and composition. Fine spring green.
So I reason. Kharkov then there is the Ukrainian metropolis. Armenia also has with this name?
Have a nice day.
emka (85371) 2013-06-28 0:03
Nice it is OK with login :). Interesting ruins of the bridge. I suppose you were on the Turkish side of the border. I used the same trick with Angola (being in Botswana actually). Interesting and terrible note. I haven't heard about this Armenian genocide. How many such stories. Will it ever end?
PaulVDV (24191) 2013-06-29 19:57
I visited Ani in 1984 and at that time this river formed the border between Turkey and the Soviet Union. The border between both countries wasn't open then and there was much suspicion. We had to visit Ani in the company of a Turkish soldier and were not allowed to take any pictures. Across the gap we saw Soviet soldiers observing us carefully.
I know that the border between Turkey and Armenia is still closed (but open with Georgia) but probably the whole atmosphere is different now.
Funny but since my visit in 1984 I never saw this view of the border and this river again.
I still remember very well the impressive ruins of the churches in Ani.
Best regards, Paul
delpeoples (54759) 2013-07-05 5:41
Hi dear Chris
Wow, the Turkish equivalent of the Rubicon? Anyway what a great POV! Did you do some serious climbing to get this? The weather looks pretty unforgiving. Excellent diagonal lines, beautiful lush colours and wonderful textures.
Thanks for sharing, have a lovely day
- Copyright: Chris Jules (ChrisJ) (103665)
- Genre: Places
- Medium: Color
- Date Taken: 2013-06-26
- Categories: Ruins
- Camera: Nikon D 90, Polarizing Filter
- Exposure: f/8, 1/60 seconds
- More Photo Info: view
- Photo Version: Original Version, Workshop
- Date Submitted: 2013-06-27 4:52