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Old 10-31-2012, 09:39 AM
emka emka is offline
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Default Slow down

We had lately tenth anniversary of TE. In such an occasion we like to think how it was earlier. I have an impression that lately TE slowed down considerably. So I made a small research . I looked at one month in every year, I just took October. How many photos were posted in consecutive years (in 2002 it was November):
2002 280
2003 4088
2004 10071
2005 17204
2006 23726
2007 21456
2008 17004
2009 18294
2010 8033
2011 5775
In 2012 it will be near 5000.

The number 23726 seemed to me incredible, so I checked just one day,
15 10 2006 - there were 743 photos posted.

What do you think? What are the reasons TE seems not so attractive as it was?
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Old 10-31-2012, 12:32 PM
pablominto pablominto is offline
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Default The Trek Tragedy

Grown-up people don’t like to be treated like children, that’s why they leave the Trek sites.

The problem you have illustrated so well by numbers is basically due to poor moderation. In the beginning it seems like that kind of behaviour to some extent could pass since the competition wasn't that hard. And the Trek concept was special. Not so anymore, today the alternatives are numerous and most of the other photo sites are a lot better. Above all they treat the members in a decent way.

If the site owner doesn't deal with this problem I fear the Trek era soon will be over…
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Old 10-31-2012, 02:05 PM
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Default I agree

This is the sad truth.
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Old 10-31-2012, 04:24 PM
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Grown-up people don’t like to be treated like children, that’s why they leave the Trek sites.
Supposedly grown up people behaving like children is a problem too. When a member has one image removed and then screams at how badly they are treated, one has to wonder about just how mature the individual is.

The days of 700+ images being posted per day are long gone and to be perfectly honest I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing. People even now complain about not receiving any feedback with about 1/4 of the images being posted so the problem was even worse then. 700 images is roughly 40 pages of images per day, which means that on average an image disappeared from page 1 in about half an hour. I suspect many members, and I include myself in that number, don't have time to look through 40 screens of images each day. The result of that is the people get disheartened with the lack of feedback and some leave the site because of that. Others feel overwhelmed by the number of images and no longer provide the level of feedback they did in the past.
Fewer posted images and greater interaction amongst members could and should be beneficial to all members.
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Old 10-31-2012, 10:05 PM
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Default My opinion

I don't think it is related to moderators attutude. This is a problem that after all concerns very few people that had one of their photo removed because somehow they violated the TE rules. I had a couple of pictures removed myself (over 700 hundreds or more that I have posted) and I just accepetd it withour any violent (and ridiculous, in my opinion) reaction.
I think that the real problem of TE now is the lack of HONEST feedback.
I really underline this: HONEST feedback.

Stefano
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Old 11-01-2012, 05:50 AM
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I think there are a variety of reasons people move on from TE. There are obviously more photographic communities on-line than there were and for people who are more into photography than the combination of photography, travel and learning about the world will probably look elsewhere.

One thing I have seen is that past members have used TE as a jumping off platform for their work. People like Adam Burton and John Freeman (two ex-members that come to mind) both pursue photographic careers now and have their own websites. I am sure others have left for similar reasons.

I have noticed that a few people only join up here to showcase their work and from the go-get have links to their personal sites where one can buy prints. They don't really participate in the critiquing at all.

As for numbers, I agree with Keith, fewer uploads means fewer images to scan for critiquing purposes and the more chance of feedback on your own work and a better chance for positive member interaction. Small can be beautiful

In the ten years since TE began the site has become a commercial enterprise and obviously not the same as it was, the goal now is money-making. Not everybody likes (or liked) these changes.

I think Stefano makes a valid point about feedback, there are very few members (in my experience) that give really good, objective feedback and indeed some members are unhappy if they get it and others unhappy if the don't.

The site means different things to different people and people have varied expectations and levels of involvement. That is the nature of people. People come and people go.

And finally regarding the moderators and image removal... yes it happens. Is it a reason to up-sticks and leave? Probably not, but maybe moving to a photographic site with fewer constraints allows the photographer to develop in other genres.

Have a nice day

Rosemary
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:49 PM
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My post in the forum was just plain observation without any accusations. The result is quite obvious - every year, every month the number of posts is decreasing. One can look at it as a dynamical process depending on many factors. It is the result of behaviours of many people and there is not single reason. One feels offended, one has no time, one is bored, one is interested in different things... I look at it as a physicist and I am deeply concerned. Is there any chance to stop the process? In summer it was around 4600 posts per month. How it will be next year? Less than 4000? Around 3000? Maybe it would be the time to think about making the site more attractive, as fascinating as it used to be, before it is too late.
I do agree with Rosemary in many points, there are now many other sites, some former TE members have their own sites or became professionals well appreciated. I agree that some TE members acted in exaggerated manner and too rush. But I do not agree that when there were more posts there were less feedback. We can post only one photo per day, so more posts means much more ACTIVE members. More photos to comment, more people to write critiques- not easy to say what is the effect. I think there was more feedback, I learned a lot in that time. The people got more points but it is difficult to check as the points accumulated.
Photofolia is a nice friendly site but it is a small community. Fotopedia is interesting but it is quite different.
I, personally, think that TE now became a bit boring, with less creativity and fun.
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:08 PM
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Default Thanks..!

Thanks to the mods for attacking me, showing exactly what is my point: The site is run by some arrogant xxxxxs who don’t seem to get along well with the real world. No names mentioned, you yourself know who you are. And most members do too, I might add.

Face it, trek sites are on a steep downward dive and you are the ones to blame!

And since I have left the building, you can safely continue attacking me…

By the way – does the site owner know what you are up to??
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Old 11-01-2012, 08:17 PM
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Thanks to the mods for attacking me, showing exactly what is my point: The site is run by some arrogant xxxxxs who don’t seem to get along well with the real world. No names mentioned, you yourself know who you are. And most members do too, I might add.

Face it, trek sites are on a steep downward dive and you are the ones to blame!

And since I have left the building, you can safely continue attacking me…

By the way – does the site owner know what you are up to??
At no point in this discussion has any individual been picked out or picked on. There is a saying in English "If the cap fits, wear it". If individuals believe they can identify themselves in the attitudes and behaviours mentioned then so be it. Some members do seem to leave through revolving doors don't they?

I for one have no problem in accepting responsibilities for my actions both as a mod here and in the real world. The actions of the mods are obviously visible to the owners of the site and as mods we are following their instruction, not the other way round.

The administrators do see what is being posted and may or may not act on suggestions put forward by the members. The mods most certainly do not have control over the direction of the site.
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Old 11-01-2012, 06:31 PM
Herquin Herquin is offline
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Default Qui n'avance pas ...

Qui n'avance pas , recule !

On ne peut pas vraiment dire que la conception de TE soit attrayante pour les membres , il y quelques années que ce site existe où rien n'évolue.

C'est d'autant plus inquiètant que les modos se complaisent du fait que moins de posts par jour facilite la lecture et par-là même le temps a passer pour faire ses commentaires .

Moins de photos postées veut dire , aussi , moins de belles photos a commenter , EVIDEMMENT !

Chers modérateurs , arrêtez de vous reposer sur vos lauriers et faites , enfin , évoluer TE dans le bon sens .

TE le mérite .
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