New Full Size Panorama Feature Available

[adam]

This new feature is to address the issue of the 800 pixel limit which makes panorama images somewhat difficult to view.

To upload a larger sized panoramic photo there will be a 'Large Post' link next to all panoramic images in one's Manage section which are greater than a 2.5::1 ratio. Keep in mind that the limit is 400 kilobytes and may be no larger than 4000 pixels. The longest side must also be greater than 800 pixels. Only logged-in members may view these larger sized panoramic photos.

If anyone encounters problems or has suggestions on how this feature may be improved, please let me know. Thanks!

[kazan]

Adam, that's excellent. It is very important to go the flow and right now the flow says YES to real panoramas! (2000px+)
When will this feature be available?
Panos

[adam]

"When will this feature be available?"

It's available now. After you upload the panoramic image, click the 'Large Post' link next to the photo to upload the larger (up to 4000 pixel) image.

[avigur_11]

Can I do it also with old photos? Is there a daily limit?

[adam]

"Can I do it also with old photos?"

Yes, but only for those panos with an aspect ratio greater than 2.5.

"Is there a daily limit?"

Not currently.

[kazan]

What exactly do you mean by "After you upload the panoramic image, click the 'Large Post' link next to the photo to upload the larger (up to 4000 pixel) image."

I am not allowed to upload any image larger than 800px, and there is no prior button for "Large Post"...

I tried your guidelines and I got this message...
"Maximum length of photo may not exceed 800 pixels.
Please resize your photo, apply necessary sharpening, and then upload to TrekEarth."

So, Adam, what did I do wrong?

Panos

[adam]

"what did I do wrong?"

First upload the panoramic image with at least a 2.5::1 aspect ratio, (800 pixels or less), and then click the 'Large Post' link under the Options column for that photo to upload the large-sized image.

[avigur_11]

1. Does it considered as a re-post? I mean does it deletes all the critiques recieved?
2. will it be possible to see the smaller version too?
3. did anyone used this feature already, and can write a link? I'm courious to see how does it come out.

[adam]

"1. Does it considered as a re-post? I mean does it deletes all the critiques recieved?"

No, it's separate.

"2. will it be possible to see the smaller version too?"

Yes.

"3. did anyone used this feature already, and can write a link?"

All photos containing large-sized panoramas are listed here:

<a href="/photos.php?filter=panoramas">http://www.trekearth.com/photos.php?filter=panoramas</a>

[avigur_11]

This is a great feature, Adam!

[Curioso]

I had the following error problem when trying to upload :
Failed to resize photo. (error 28)
Invalid photo_insert_raw_query

Could you check ? The panorama was about 2000x600 and 360 Kb.

Thanks.

Steven

[adam]

"Could you check ?"

I believe this has been fixed. Thanks for letting me know.

By the way, photos which are linked to large-sized panoramas now display 'LP' in the thumnail image to indicate this.

[sarastro]

A little suggestion. As the "normal" size image almost becomes a thumbnail for the large size picture, it feels logical that I should get to the large size image by clicking the normal size one. I have clicked the image several times already without thinking. :)

Is it possible for you to make the images link to the large ones for the large post photos?

[adam]

"Is it possible for you to make the images link to the large ones for the large post photos?"

There are a couple of reasons why I don't think I should do this:

1. The page display would be awkward as the right aligned text would not be visible since the page would be stretched far outside the normal viewing area.

2. To conserve bandwidth, I'd rather not have viewers download the entire image by default unless they really do want to take a closer look.

All thumbnails should now display the 'LP' symbol which should make it easier to determine whether a large-sized image is available.

Thanks for the feedback.

[sarastro]

You misunderstand me. I mean that clicking the 800 pixel wide picture, the middle size so to say, should link to the large image. Not just the tiny text link that you get today.

So, you could do it like this.

1. Click the thumbnail in the gallery, get to the same page as today, with the medium size image and all commentary.

2. Click the medium size image to get to the large version, that looks just like it does today.

[adam]

" I mean that clicking the 800 pixel wide picture, the middle size so to say, should link to the large image."

OK, I get it now, thanks for the suggestion! This has been done.

[sarastro]

Thanks! :)

[acrylonithrill]

Hmmm Adam, I have this paranoma picture <a href="http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/Asia/Singapore/photo24042.htm">Cloudy Singapore</a>. I went to manage section and there wasn't any Large Post.

[sarastro]

Hi Louis

An image has have a greater aspect ration than 2.5:1 for the large post function to work. Your image is just below that. A picture that is 800 pixels wide can only be 320 pixels high, or less, to comply to this.

Hope that helped.

[acrylonithrill]

Hii hii

I posted a resized pic <a href="http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/Asia/Singapore/photo26287.htm">1 Hr Before Rain</a>. This pic is 800px × 300px but I still can't do any LP.

Thanks

[adam]

"This pic is 800px × 300px but I still can't do any LP."

When I right-clicked on that image it says "800x320", not 300. Are you sure it's 300px high?

[guyfortier]

Ooops! I learned the hard way today. Please keep in mind that the ratio must be *greater* than 2.5 (as stated above) not equal to 2.5. So much for *math geeks* like me who like to make things come out even! ;-)

[ilouy]

hi, I wanted to post a LP today.
First, as you said, I posted a 2.5:1 ratio picture (800x320 pixels).
The picture uplaoded... but now, I can't see "large post" link...anywhere! I can't repost... or do anything else (limit of the day).
Under the Option column, I only have "Edit" - "Re-post" - "Delete"

Thanks to help.
Isabelle

[adam]

OK, try it now. The 'Large Post' link should now be there.

[ilouy]

Thanks. OK for the links. I have it now.
But now... It says that my image must have a 2.5:1 ratio...
Is 1500x600px isn't?

[ilouy]

ha... maybe it's because it's not "must have".... but "must be *greater*... I'll try that.

[ilouy]

I solve my problem. Thanks Adam. :-)

[ilouy]

Hi, Again, I do not have under the option column the meu to post a LP.
The picture I first uploaded is greater that the needed ratio of 2.5:1 (my picture is 800x334).
Can you correct that, please, Adam?

Will I have to ask each time or you can correct the problem once for all?

Thanks a lot.
Isabelle

[ilouy]

Hum... sorry... I read now that the minimum for a 800 pixel large LP should be less that 320 for the height... I made wrong calculs... sorry.
I'll try to repost tomorrow... since I can't do it today because of the limit permitted. :(

[miuky]

hy adam
jrj told me to post the panoramic picture next time i'll have one, and gave me this link, but as a user below here, i don't have the option of posting the large one...
can you help me please?
I have <A HREF="http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/Europe/Slovenia/photo533096.htm">this pic</A> without a frame large lihe this one... and a night shot too...
thank you very much, i'll be waiting for your answere, M.

[Erick_L]

I just tried uploading a panorama. My 900 pixel-wide photo is too wide so I resized it, and now the short side is too short...

[sleon]

If the short side is too short, then you need to add some extra pixels by adding a frame at the top or lower edge. The minimum height must be 250 pixels. Hope this helps!

[Emiel_Skyfreak]

If you want to upload a large panorama, then you got to take care that in the small version a) first the aspect ratio of the photo has to be >2,5 : 1 or 1 : >2,5. b) second ofcourse the largest side has a width/height of max. 800px c) and a minimum of 250 px.

The former implies that the smallest side has to be between 250px (the minimum) and 320px (800/2,5)
321px should not work. The largest side has to be between 625px (250x2,5) and ofcourse 800px.

If your photo can't meet the aspect criterium (>2,5 : 1) then add a border to the longest side, if it can't meet the 250px high (or width) criterium, add a border on the smallest side.

If the largest side is more than 800px you have to downsize it completely.

[etlerl]

I have been trying to upload a large panorama but keep getting the same error message:

failed to change directory (error 21)
Invalid photo_insert_raw_query

The dimensions of the pictures are within the given limits (both image size and file size).
However, I found some large panoramas uploaded by other users during this week, so I have no idea what went wrong.
Has anybody got a problem like this?
Admin, could you give an explanation?

[etlerl]

I have been trying to upload a panorama. The dimensions are within the given limits (both file size and picture size). But I keep getting the same error message every time:

failed to change directory (error 21)
Invalid photo_insert_raw_query

Could somebody tell me what's wrong?

[michaelbix]

Hi Adam -I just joined and would very much like to post my photos... so far all attempts are falling flat. I have a panorama all set to go that is no greater than 4000k in any direction, is greater than the 2.5:1 ratio (actually the one I want to start with is about 4:1) and are less than 400k files. All attempts to load return the dialog that I cannot upload because my files exceed 300k in size. Smaller versions look ridiculous, frankly.

I've looked at the approximately 420 panoramas that are loaded throughout TE and notice that even recently, people are still using all kinds of different strategies (some failing) to get panos of a decent size on the site. The best examples of really getting a good-sized image are like this - http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/photo958742.htm and http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/photo257587.htm But adding borders - creating ultra narrow "teaser versions" that aren't visible to most visitors and which, in my case, look like match-sticks lying on their sides - or adding extensive notes, or comments directly to the photo to "guide" the viewer through the experience seems like a rugged road compared to the experience of "straight" photo viewers - they just load and play. Granted, I guess for you it was a major coup to offer a concession to panorama makers, but somehow it doesn't seem to be lighting a fire under the general viewership to post panos.

Is it possible to set up a *permanent* and dedicated means to exhibit panoramas, with fewer constraints and direct posting of the actual intended final image (when it falls within guidelines)?

My images range from 1 x 3 (up to 1 x 12) so you can perhaps guess the issue for me. Take any very beautiful image - once squeezed down in its long dimension - without a height dimension it doesn't make the "grade." Sad... and having a lot of white space or grey space above and below doesn't make it more viewable.

With only 420 or so panoramas total displayed on TrekEarth, it seems like a very tiny percentage of your over-all users are wading through the steps... far fewer than one would expect, given the ease to make panos and the number of people who do this big time. But seeing them in miniature is painful... this is not about being precious, but rather wondering if there is any way for the photo to be uploaded as intended.

How about dropping some of the restrictions and actually setting up a different work-group called TrekPano? Your Trek template support and setup are unique enough, and your user-base is so truly diverse, that you could very well pull in a huge group of new (pano) photographers from around the globe.

If cost is an issue (and undoubtedly the server storage required would increase if you did this well) certainly with your track record you could attract specialist advertisers ie. pano cameras ie. WideLux, pano tripod heads such as 360 (Pano VR), and software pano-makers such as Panoweaver, Stitcher and HP's SmartStudio. If you backed up your server space with this kind of support, then you could offer your members a (4th) TrekPano work-group, one which could provide participants a maximum of 800 pixels in one dimension v. a maximum of 6400 pixels in the long dimension (up to 5 MB before compression per image, so say 800k each upload)... ?

I've had a bit better luck as far as ease-of-use on non-photo tech sites like ipernity (which allows full display ie. of an image 1000H x more than 5000W (see http://www.ipernity.com/doc/jjfanagh/4999612/sizes/in/album/76618 ). I just load it in.

So what are the chances you might make a new "club" for panorama photography? The participation could become huge if people could just upload their final up-to 800k compressed file... within that large and fairly forgiving range of sizes (or something close to it).

thanks
Michael Cerulli Billingsley