TE book - Thread of the filtering method

[kikvel]

How to select the pictures. (Method)

Years to be included.

TE membership califications are important? Participation, active status, etc.

Digital vs analog.

K.

[mlopes]

my opinion on this:

- 2005 (or maximum 2004/2005)
- in my opinion they are... as i've said... a community work made by the community itself... the more active the better...
- Digital AND analog
- first method is the donation of photos by the photographers... i think the more old & active the more photos the photographer could sent for further selection

M.

[jrj]

I think that the date is no criteria for selecting photos. TE was established only some years back and there is no problem (other than technical) to use photos from the whole periode.

Some other criteria to think about:

- The photos included should be from active members (that is with activities in 2005)

- They should have been added as favourites by other members and/or have some substansial interest in kind of critics and/or comments given by other members (not points), but say ie been critiqued or commented by at least 10 members.

[smartins]

I also think that the photos must be from active members.

I agree with Jack, I believe one of the better ways to select the photos is choosing from the ones that had been added as favourites by other members.

About the dates from the photos, I don't know what's better... If we select only the photos from 2005 we will have a lot of them to choose from, so if we accept all the photos that are added as favourites since the begining of TE we'll be in "big trouble" to choose only 150/200...

This will be a very hard work, but we can do it!

[jrj]

<i>so if we accept all the photos that are added as favourites since the begining of TE we'll be in "big trouble" to choose only 150/200...</i>

Of course we must find ways to select also from a large number - still we should go for quality (whatever that must be) and not dates as criteria..

One way is when we have a selection to 'vote in' those most preferred by TE members.

[smartins]

Yes... I think you're right!

Maybe we can use the most preferred criteria or the most critiqued or commented (not the points)... just like you said ;)

[oochappan]

I think the most honest to the spirit of TE is to admit everyone to propose a picture, this filter will works already for more active members.

There should be a limitation of 3 for adding as a donation so if they want to joint they have to think very carefully wich three are really representative in 'Learning about ......', in that way you give everyone a chance as the book should not be targetted to the biggest posters but to the best general reflection of TE representing as much possible differant members, not the name but the photo should be the most important as thus for the book.

Also a limitation of 2005 would indicate that there will be 2006 and .......
I think the archive of 2005 is already big enough to have an outstanding recolt from.

Favorites is not a good filter as it is used in differant ways, for me f.i. a favorite can also be a bad photo with some extraordinairy potential to inspire myself for better shooting. And if you take care only o the high numbered quoted favorites you start again some elitisme excluding a starter with one good photo.

Then only with the archive of donations it is pleasant to filter the best out suitable for the project, so everyone takes the risk to be in -or excluded that could be discussed with proposals theme by theme.

[mlopes]

I also agree that favorites can be tricky... well it's measurable but tricky! Personaly I never mark photos as favorits... there are just too many!

I think the members should submit their own photos for the first level voting... all the members that want to participate submit 2 photos or 3...

And I really think the year is very important!

M.

[jinju]

I think that its been said before. Alow members to submit the photos they prefer. This is a good filter. It could be 5% of the total number of photos on TE. If you have 100 photos, you can submit 5. if you have 20 or less, you can submit 1. I think this filter will work best because it will cut the field down considerably. Those that are interested will at least be in the running at the initial stage, and those that arent and didnt submit a photo will have nothing to complain about.

For a secondary filter, we place the photos on a subpage and allow people to vote for the best photos. This will be hard so perhaps the voting could be broken up on a weekly basis, 30 images per week. The photos here should be anonymous, no names attached. This will be fair I think. Everyone gets 3-5 votes per week. This second round could be used to select the most popular 30-40% of the photos submitted in the initial round.

Once we cut the field down to 30-40% we could get the help of professionals to make a further selection.

[jrj]

It seems so far as the selection should be:

<b>- Photos posted 2005

- Active photographers (interested) suggest up to 3 photos from their own portfolio</b>

<i>Still IMO the photos for upload should also have some critics/comments connected to them to 'secure' that it is not only the photographers choice but also photos with an attention from other members. IE: At least 5 critiqs/comments at the time of uploading.</i>

Well then: I suggest you <b>open a theme</b> for the use, then let's see who wants to participate and not least what we end up with.

Under way we will of course see what structure is building.

[green]

I think it is a good idea to first ask member who want to participate to propose a couple of their own picture. When themes for the book will be choose, a message could be send asking member who want to participate have to propose their picture until a decided closing date. Those pictures should be then submited to vote (by any member or a designated group of member).

I don't agree with limitation to 2005. This might sound personnal but take myself, I haven't post a picture on TE for more than a year and this for different reasons; on being that after the creation of TL, I've decided that since I'm not traveling then I won't be posting on TE and started to post my "local" shot on TL. I know this is a my own decision, some kind of personal rules. But eventhough I'm not posting on TE, I think I'm still an active member of the community, through forum messages that I regularly post on the forums, some critiques and comments I write sometime and through other action that might not be visible to the rest of the community.
I'm not the only one in this community and I think it would be unfair if we would left out of the project.

[kikvel]

I also do not consider the year of the picture a relevant thing to be taken into account.

Let us free this constrain and keep on considering other ways to filter the database.

K.
I think we should still wait at least a week before creating themes. Let us gather more information and ideas first before we get into the filtering and selection tasks.

[kikvel]

to wait a bit more before creating themes

let us first put alltogether some basic ideas, during let us say a week or a few days more

K.

[kinginexile]

Friends, may i say something about the choice of pix, either by own or from others. Personally, i think it has a lot more to do with professional publishing and editing than just choosing the ones we like, either ours or someone's. It is a very professional task, which does not mean we have to hire professionals absolutely, but we must be professional about it. WE have to look at te shots in a very detached manner, for what they communicate, and especially that the whole album will be a good representation of the membership, not just the photos, which anyway, we are not always qualified to know which one is best for publishing, even our own. Anyone who had to propose a text, a shot, something to be edited, knows there was still a lot of work asked, after first submission, and sometimes a good text we though we pinned down nicely, has to be completely re-written. So, I see the first submissions, and I accept they are nice shots, but maybe not the best to be published from the photographer, and again in regards of the whole project.
I am not sure if it has been touched upon, but let's have a team that works on the selection of images, and spend time discussing the shots, as well as visiting the gallery of the submitting member. Any editor would like to see a portfolio, not just the 2 pix that his author likes. We have a wealth of pix it would be a shame to ignore based on choices that may not fit best.
I'd like to be part of that team, if you want.
H